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Everybody ready. My name is Patrick
Higgins some mystery the home of

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a recreation conservation with. My colleague
Mike Wilson and I was responsible for

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this meeting having catalyze this committee's
of anything goes wrong blame it on my

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heart. I'm really pleased to see
this talented group here and the

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parties this is an economic development
committee of the whole big party recreation

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of conservation. And stimulation of
offspring nurse economic development

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specialists elected officials some
representatives and labor and what we want to do

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is we want to identify economic development
opportunities around humble and well

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harmed district has been traditionally
involved in economic development largely

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relating to the port and harbor infrastructure
and that of course is this subject

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of this evening's meeting. We will also
be exploring more globally other ever

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opportunities as

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a matter of fact every opportunity how which
should this committee wishes to bring

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. Forward so. Business and

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Economic Development. Is kind of better
it's sort of people have idea as they bring

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together the capital they see

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a market niche and then it's organic it
works ha I've been in business myself

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a number of modes and hide
it it actually interests me

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a great. I like to have this approach just
go you know the Harvard district were

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elected and so out tomorrow night here at
the harbor district meeting I know it's

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political but I think that it doesn't
serve us in this forum out to be overly

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political Let us some bring forward
ideas let us bring you know. You

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know the inspiration that you. Feel for the
various ideas and opportunities around

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the base but also let's look at things in

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a business sense and let us convince one
another with substance because that in

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fact is is what will move us forward
and so and I also I like to have

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a little fun so let's let's try to keep the
light it doesn't have to be serious and

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the only thing I won't be serious about
is the time and we will not run past nine

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o'clock ever that's it if there's things
that need to be done outside that you can

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form subcommittees award your work groups
or calendar them for future agendas I

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don't want to stifle discussions but I
think if we go on too long then some of us

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will. Be less willing to continue
their patients the same. So.

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I want to do

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a little bit of housekeeping before we
introduce ourselves or actually I tell you

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what. Can we just around quickly for just

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a couple minutes each and if you can
interview for self and say. What it is you

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represent and why you think you know why
are you here what are you going to and I

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do I really want to see us try that
cannot be around and. I think we have the

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intellectual capital and that we can form
the monetary capital. But we have to make

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come some better agreements as

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a community on some things because we're
small in numbers and so if any of what we

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intend to leverage as capital is from the
government we have to be pretty united as

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one hundred twenty thousand people. You
know one one neighbor in San Francisco has

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more people than we do but when we are
united we have political clout and to some

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degree our economic fortunes are
nearly there are really two three on

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a path for economic development so that's
one How might you get ten minutes in part

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over that he has the Go Ahead This is
just go around I'm just. In the city

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a man named Mike Wilson the district
commissioner from Earth from the Third

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Division which is basically

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a kid in North Bay You know I really
putting this workshop together or be

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I think I'm calling me really and
it's really more of a workshop or

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a series of workshops by which folks can
both the landowners and business people

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and community members and from various
stakeholders and then discuss the options

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around how will they and the nexus between
not just the day as they should beings

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own but the nexus between that and is

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a business community and what are the
opportunities that surround that and so

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that's really why I got this thing going
and I'm just going to. The most you know

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me I'm David hole I'm the C.E.O.

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Of the district. I'm also
Moisi for. You never with

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a moment on this. Day Fire the only
record of. What he Murphy humble

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before Fox the homework for Fox off the
planet. Really gives Kerry national there

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if this is our. Mike Mike
Buttner trails trust

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a whole day and also in most of your
week of open space perch and Recreation

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Commission. The third class Eureka
city council. Jacqueline du tumble

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County Economic Development. Branch
that are better go. Travis natter

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Pacific affiliate started off. A great
Gardner hundred one Things to Do and Eureka

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Chamber of Commerce. JR there with the
Chamber of Commerce. He forged in the area

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referendum electrical workers union and
secretary treasurer of the Building

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Construction Trades Council I will be the
work. And they Miss Farrow spawn and I'm

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just here is an observer and I'm
doing subcontract work for. I'm Don

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Leinert I'm sitting in for Peter your
Tonight pass director of the county

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convention spill. In the community
development director for the city orchid of.

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Our DANNHAUSER I'm also here because people
aren't true call me and so he's going

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to be other town. That I don't know me and
actually between her daughter and I both

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will talk less than the other and the
what forty years' experience practical

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economic development. I'm working
to develop environmental technology

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the house the project
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Richard killers. And I think

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Todd that her who is the author of protect
Kiper deserves special mention says put

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together under fire.

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Well actually the reason I gave how special
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and if it's OK with the
audience. That's my time

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I'm sorry I just don't I think we have
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course of the. So. Wednesday seems to

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be the night that works and other nights
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so what is the committee's pleasure.
Is it Wednesdays and I think from

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a poll of everyone that I call Wednesday
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Wednesdays it seems to work are the last
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fourth Wednesday is more consistent
but the last wednesday is an. No

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night for that nice for the meeting this
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. Our. Tonight how are we
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infrastructure. Meeting will be on
my the industry. And the reactor of

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That has offered to help me put that
together what Mike and I would like to do

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a stimulate involvement of those people who
fought in these various sectors to help

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put together the forums because
neither he nor I are either

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a nurse or expert and so the quality of
these forms to some degree with him and

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your participation. And your willingness
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have made to you I has been

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a big energy boost to us so light
industry in June. Tourism and

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economic development related to it is July
people wonder has offered to help with

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that or is your lighting one coming he's
running the off the magazine so he was

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going to be coming in soon and he runs the
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be helping with that but others of you know
tourism is large enough to where maybe

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it's more than one meaning our obvious
we are projecting to do our recreational

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infrastructure and what economic development
benefits that might have for the

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community

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a September of fisheries and hop culture
to take Kiper has been an enormous help

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and that actually has some really practical
advice and I think. Our mission here is

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find out who's interested in developing
business around the bay find out what

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passed to attainment there are find out
what impediments there might be and also

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how things might work together then how can
the harbor district or the governmental

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entities we do something. And I thought
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that's what we're doing. And that's.
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as I get into that deeper I'm not sure that
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very well developed business sectors
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And then you know restoration of the bay
actually creates jobs and other long term

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benefits in terms of the productivity of
the bay and we have one of the most you

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know developed recreational. Countries
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people who are helping with
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prosperity clusters in the other ones like
agriculture but I don't think they apply

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and so I would open it up now if there are
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that we need to cover. People suggested
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might look at independently and we might
convert under light industry but my quick

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take from those who are contacted It doesn't
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may be something that's the other thing I'd
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to look at what's practical
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a short term and then some things maybe
mid term opportunities but those are the

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two that I like are committed to
focus on things that could happen in

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a five year when we start going out can
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things that we had to start to make take
that long to develop but. I let's just

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make something and you know so
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a more time or some Let's. Does anybody
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any agenda considerations before
how we perceive. And three.

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Well you know I think I think if we. When
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i think or actually you're right.
Does anybody have any ideas terms

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of what additional meetings that we should
have or comments on the. The meetings

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that. We're considering at this point
which are only five in number.

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When you. Went something

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like. Hydrogen powered ships I think it's

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a great idea it's probably inevitable but
the technology is just in beta testing

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and so on and while these may
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a prototype basis somewhere around the world
they're not imminent as something that

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we could start to practically develop on
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you know. Not only do we have
entrepreneurs and we also have you know

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we have dreamers and I would like to not
pursue things that are utopian but not

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practical and I guess the litmus test
really Mike is. Is there indications that

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there's going to be an economic trend that
favors the business you know things like

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driven by gas prices gas prices are
probably going to go up and when he grew to

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that OK Some businesses are going to
flourish when gas prices go up the probably

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a pretty good bet. But. Other than
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some other which. It's kind of

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a show me deal. Show me market trends
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formation and steps to attainment and then
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you have a gleam in your eye and you have

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a dream. But you don't have any
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capitalization in the near
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Outcomes Well you know there's an array of
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the totem pole of that outcome of this
committee would be that it's an opportunity

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for the business folks both landowners and
and the business people and Me members

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to have a venue to basically discuss
these various clusters you know in

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a forum by which if the very least they
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especially outside the office of this
organisation that there is one connections

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made a synergy where

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a business is started and people actually
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really what I would you know that's
the least of what we can do on

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a group on kind of like the larger
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a little bit here is that you know
humble Bay is is actually quite large

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relative to you know relative to some
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you know if you look at the the Port of
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about five miles of industrial
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a half miles of industrial waterfront in
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and industrially zoned land. Often we're
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this community that we won't be the Port
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kind of land mass and that kind of
waterfront what can we be how can our

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business community be how creative can we
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we yet in terms of the opportunities with
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can we get access to energy. And freshwater
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Resources What is it that we
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Is that the day when he you re in and you
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really has been kind of

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a delineation in terms of the process by
which our district tends to Unlike other

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government agencies they tend to sort of
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a lot of interaction between the district
in the county and other agencies and

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economic to the reader and the other groups
that are around what they really see

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the home of a as a as

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a value outside of kind of the path that
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years and so now's our
opportunity to really take

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a look around are there fundamental changes
that we can make and sort of open our

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a little bit and see what we can do and
that's the goal of this the outcome there's

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not I don't expect there to be any formal
report but you know if if our board can

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look at the videos of these things and in
the community go through this then maybe

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at the end of this process which is not
very long you know we're only talking five

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months and five meetings we're not talking

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a lot of time invested Did anything fall
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hoping that there is but I am. I want to
make sure that the investment is not so

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great the expectations are really high and
wants to you know try to see where we

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get and hopefully we'll get
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We've. Been getting
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a lot of pieces in that
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Is the answer and I think probably we
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actually a win for him and.
It's all right there it has

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a pilot we'll put them with say the
latest move on our website where all of

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anything that's presented in any of the
meeting will be put on to the website so

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that you can view them later. Yes will be
there and certainly an answer today of

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like what good would a cluster to look
at. Is not required and they become

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a month or two months from now that's

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a good idea great. Great. Thank

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you Pat. Although I understand the desire
to have everything relatively short term

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because you want to see the immediate
benefit I would hope that we could maybe

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expand that five year model that you
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fifteen years because if you are

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a visionary you still need to find capital
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else and it's not possible to get that done
five years so I hope that we can do we

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can expand that five year term and and look
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beneficial in the not only for us but for
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think you're right Grigg in that for instance
wave energy I went to the meeting the

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other night it's five years in

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a pilot phase and then it'll be another
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the event that it's feasible and
environmentally. You know without impediments up

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Pete go ahead. Going to make um and I
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together tonight and it seems to
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a standing committee of the district I
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a pilot. I'm noticing the lack of environmental
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hoping that maybe in the future
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you know any any development does have some
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about that. Our meetings are public
and anyone's invited to attend and.

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We selected for businesspeople entrepreneurs
economic development types. And we

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have eighteen which is pretty good
committee. To additional representation

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members of the committee
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a representative who can be traveling

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a lot. We really selected for.

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A creative mix for business development.
And that you know I think Lou are you an

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environmentalist I think Lou my qualify J.

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Yeah I saw it as a as we go forward of
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a whole lot of things we may not know right
now and to keep those options open in

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terms of representation as well as other
issues or our ideas may arise that I think

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would be ill served if we try to
lock down a thing other than just

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a framework here tonight. Just you know
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nature of business that you know
you can't put a lightning bug in

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a jar and keep it for very long I mean
business happens and it's but also one of

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the things I think we'll see is again and
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there's synergies How might these businesses
that people are thinking about the

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ballot being worked together
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it's something that. We think needs to
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a need for us to calibrate jobs and so we're
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that we'll move to you know and I'm going
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so you guys can take

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a look at it and if you have ideas for
additional clusters or you want to help with

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thought any of the the forms that we've
put together please go ahead and get with

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me and Mike after the meeting
and. The again the. Under.

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Three D. I'm not going to do that section
I see that my time for Dave to give

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a little introduction to tell me you know
half of the bill and the district right

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now and I'm going to be just basically doing
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and us in the U.S.

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For competition and basically you'll see
with that is I don't claim to be an expert

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in that. And just let you
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a. A quick change and. Well.
Without further ado. You may

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hope for under three you know you did to
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round world trade you're in the right in
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Is to frame world trade and
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a conference and so he saw presentations
with more than once an aerial and

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certainly this has bearing on
potential trade or helpful and.

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So this is kind of. You know with the
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the redwood dock and in the shipping
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desires and so that has this kind of
bearing on the redwood are. All right

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so that we win over the why of the
committee. It's really to explore the new

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business opportunities with the empties
where the constraints how can overcome the

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other synergies and went through that. They
what's going on here you tell me first

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to know you didn't. Know you OK with one

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of them aha closed to close to two
OK so get that little guy out there

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look at that I'm an expert now all right
so OK Basically this is actually excerpts

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from three presentations that I saw in the
two this is I added the last one as I

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was sitting here today while
people are gathering and there's

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a few excerpts from stuff that Pat also
add put in there. So these are just

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excerpts from from presentations they're
given in articles and I would be clear I

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am not an economist OK it is really very
clear I'm going to try very hard to give

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any of the night I while you know that
there's four sort of four sort of trends

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there are opinions that are of these
economists who are kind of rosy and two are

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not very rosy and I come in or mix them
so that the rosy for not so rosy rosy not

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so rosy Rose has to be very technical.
Folks scuse me so I was talking

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about land use again Port of Oakland port
of humble port when you need three or

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operates there's a lot
of lot of business it's

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a billion dollars worth of
goods go through there in

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a year and it's like
plant he has less than

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a mile waterfront and only one hundred
twenty acres. You know again what are the

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opportunities that we have around him obey.
And how are we how do we view ourselves

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really. Looking for those things so the
first one is John have been. Found of

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Beacon Economics and he did he was part of

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a study that looked at the expectations
of world trade in twenty twenty and

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and he he stood in shame of what his
expectations were. And this was done in two

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thousand to everybody in two thousand to
thought everything you know this guy was

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the. I mean everything is going
gangbusters and we all work we all were

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a part of that. So there's
what happened in U.S.

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Trade flows basically from in July of
zero way things things started to press

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interesting Lee enough on the west coast
things were actually starting the to drop

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some one in two thousand and six which
you can see here these are Oakland point

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four volumes remain below recent years
so this imports coming into Oakland two

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thousand and six is considered the peak
right so things were actually in some in

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West Coast ports there was actually declines
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port of. Down south in L.A.

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And Long Beach we're seeing similar
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And and sandpaper import container flows
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actually still moving up after imports
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that is that's because housing was actually
starting to slow as an indicator that

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things were heading south and the and so
and so the materials for those for that

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industry was starting to drop off and you
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his estimation of when we would return
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a couple of assumptions they did kind of

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a matrix one is does the zero eight to ten
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throughput by fifteen percent twenty percent
to twenty five percent So he basically

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took you know

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a conservative approach and you know let's
say reproach and sort of mediated that

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things that subsequent growth rate after
you hit the bottom is going to be three

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percent five percent and ten percent and
when things are going gangbusters you know

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ten percent eight in ten percent was really
great. And three percent is considered

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quite slow. And so he chose five percent
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reaching two thousand and six levels. Is
in two thousand and seventeen which sets

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sets the west coast back from you know its
predictions of what was going to really

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move happening almost ten years.
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a whole range and as you can see
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a determiner than what the peak
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global economic downturn will exert
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death of the Americans consumer and less
construction will affect US imports going

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forward growth weeks slower from from lower
level and ports that were pushing their

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capacity in two thousand and six have
three to ten years of breathing room. All

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right so this was Paul Bingham and all
these guys are great presented by

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a much better than myself because it's
their subject matter all right so worst

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global recession in six decades North
American Europe Japan severe downturns

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emerging markets slowed magically. Two
thousand and eight financial crisis further

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constrained but great depression or Japan
Japan style lost decade is unlikely and

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huge fiscal monetary stimulus will help
keep help spark recovery and baseline

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forecast is modest and.
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so all the economists and today it
came out that you know there was

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a big survey of economists saying that
they believe that the recession will start

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to turn around the end of two thousand and
nine. These guys were kind of talking

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about two thousand and ten there with they
were talking about maybe they had talked

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to the other economists. This economic
forecast business cycle is not dead world

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economy starts you know recover starting
in two thousand and ten this is what and

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this was the rosy person. You can see this
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imports as a percent of G.D.P.

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I thought was interesting is this doesn't
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and twenty. But this doesn't relate directly
to important volumes so maybe it's not

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so relevant. This is the world ocean trade
down to Naprosyn two thousand and nine

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coverage two thousand and ten. And wait why
am I getting to Oakland again it's just

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that form there OK So this wasn't I just
put this in there is interesting this is

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container carrier fleet capacity isn't black
and sea borne trade container you know

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the trade of containers in red you can
see that the capacity is going to be far

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exceeding the containers this has to do
with the fact that the that there's been

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this is everyone had these great predictions
right in there is some few years ago

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and so all of these orders were made for
large container ships to be built which

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are you know irrevocable they can't go
back on them they've already started

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building ships and so these contracts have
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a huge. Difference between the capacity
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Port compared nys. Cost and protect
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these are some of the problems that he
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costs internalization can affect commodity
sourcing cargo routing long term

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rebounding and increasing vs trade volumes
risk outpacing capacity additions at the

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West Coast ports at which time then
shares of discretionary trade through

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California courts may decrease meaning
people may choose to go other places

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Environmental injury safety and security
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sourcing and routing decisions. And so
wait where is this OK So that was that was

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that guy this is coming from the journal
commerce online so this person this is

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kind of you know looking at some of the
big losses top twenty ocean character

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carriers maybe facing total losses that
exceed four million idle vessels represent

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ten percent of the world fleet as of April
thirteenth charter owner investment

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funds have two hundred and seventy four
unemployed ships and so we're looking at

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you know huge downturns in the
shipping industry right now. A ways

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this is going to get through because it's
just all the bad news things are just you

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know. We should we should probably keep
moving because this is way more detail than

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anyone needs to see quite honestly in the
time that we have and to be quite honest

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all of the stuff will be online on our
website so you can check it out there and I

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want to boy this is something I think Pat
put together this is basically an example

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of investments and other ports along the
west coast there that are online and

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they're also investments in the East Coast
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Or it's like Jacksonville or is that what
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is set up to two billion dollars And
you're right. Yeah and so not to

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you know not to be all doom and gloom quite
honestly this the the analysis of this

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person here was that the capacities on
the East Coast are not going to grow as

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quickly as one might think that that West
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and so just kind of show you what he is
where he's going to get into California

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remain the first choice of importers East
and Gulf Coast ports bones will expand

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capacity but not alter competitive positions
and this is the opinion this person

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here and you know he's he's an expert on
water options of always. When available

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specific Martin second segments are price
sensitive. Long term porn in one capacity

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issues are serious on both coasts most
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which is true east coast D.C.

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Supplement west coast B.C.'s I'm not quite
sure what that is imports from China

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will continue to grow and
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Nor you will give up with Midwest market
meaning there are there railroads and

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there's congestion issues associate with
that. Should we do something and the

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answer for this person is yes and remember
the audience for this presentation was

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courts so you know and so this was this
one thing yet go forward we cannot take

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a committee competitive position for granted
port capacity projects need to move

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forward despite revenue shortfalls
importers need to need reassurance that of

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California port capacity instability
truck programs and port fees must become

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routine and transparent and inland capacity
projects remain critical and buy in

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Lanka Passy that means rail and highways.
What bearing does this this world trade

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had on port a whole the prospects
for increased shipping as

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a source of job creation I do not have the
answer for that I'm just posing the I'm

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just posing to you some of what other
people have said and so I don't have the

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answer I'm not posing to have the answer
and I can get you contact all of those

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people and you can talk to them directly
they've been happy to talk to you.

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Questions if you have any questions for
me as much room or I am an economist. All

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right is is is every person. Behind.

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The right. Thinks that
Mike. So I'm just curious

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a little bit about the process here
and what your what you just reported

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essentially is what Dave Spreen and many
of us have commented on especially the

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road toward Marine Terminal proposal. As
the economic in viability of it will be as

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important what will you come up with.
Recommendations of this committee to move on

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as economic drivers around the bit with
the one you know this that is here that

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show you here is mostly based on T.V.

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Use which is the containerized shipping
and so that's only one form of shipping

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terms of like this analysis so I can't you
know you can't I can't really infer. It

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in bad for all shipping opportunities
from the information that's given here it

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just gives you kind of world trends and to.
They're all over the place in terms of

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their analysis so I'm I'm I'm not going to
project this evening no or try very hard

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not to project in doom and gloom or rosy
one way or the other I'm just saying that

424
00:36:44,54 --> 00:36:49,71
on say is that in the first four sources
that I've got very mixed with the issues

425
00:36:50,08 --> 00:36:57,08
and so the process here is
really just. With regards to

426
00:36:57,14 --> 00:37:03,25
opportunities you know those that. Well and
I think I think this is kind of partly

427
00:37:03,26 --> 00:37:07,59
grist for the mill for the seeds panel
and what does you guys stake on the

428
00:37:08,10 --> 00:37:13,88
prospects for trade. And what bearing
does that have on business and humble and

429
00:37:13,89 --> 00:37:20,66
certainly. It has it has bearing on whether
or not the redwood dock use is viable

430
00:37:20,74 --> 00:37:26,85
and that's one of the reasons we're
discussing it. Ultimately are. Our

431
00:37:26,86 --> 00:37:32,76
deliberations will focus mostly on. What
we collaborate at least the side of the

432
00:37:32,77 --> 00:37:39,26
most tangible prospects and part of our
brief but hopefully important report will

433
00:37:39,27 --> 00:37:45,32
be how can we reduce impediments to those
that are desirable and I think really.

434
00:37:47,38 --> 00:37:52,50
One piece of that waterfront which I'm out
that four point five miles duster leads

435
00:37:52,79 --> 00:37:59,30
into an industrial waterfront. We have
owners here over other pieces of property on

436
00:37:59,31 --> 00:38:02,92
this thing so the impacts or the discussion
really is sort of global in terms of

437
00:38:02,93 --> 00:38:07,42
the bay it's not really one
specific piece of property though.

438
00:38:10,66 --> 00:38:11,17
You can direct

439
00:38:11,73 --> 00:38:16,40
a speaking directly towards an industrial
container facility as opposed to say

440
00:38:16,41 --> 00:38:19,84
short sea shipping or container on barges
something like that which seems to be

441
00:38:19,85 --> 00:38:23,88
much more scale appropriate for for the
base of but it would be great to see some

442
00:38:23,89 --> 00:38:27,72
recommendations come out of this committee
before we put more resources of the

443
00:38:27,73 --> 00:38:34,57
district into that kind of planning when
I think this is kind of far. Intent

444
00:38:34,58 --> 00:38:40,05
to to get the private side folks who you
know we haven't really engaged too much in

445
00:38:40,06 --> 00:38:43,84
terms of our explorations of the redwood
dock and and see what the practical

446
00:38:43,85 --> 00:38:48,44
capitalists on the shores of the bay think
about trade and where we're going so you

447
00:38:48,45 --> 00:38:53,77
know Mike and I are not experts we're
just exploring. If you can pass

448
00:38:53,78 --> 00:39:00,26
a mike or Susan. Thank you with here
we are and we're in this in this

449
00:39:00,41 --> 00:39:06,25
different position than maybe some other
ports in that you know it's the goal of

450
00:39:06,26 --> 00:39:10,71
the district if if to move forward or when
there how we move forward with rail with

451
00:39:11,31 --> 00:39:17,82
that need you know it has to be not competitive
with our other operators on the bay

452
00:39:17,83 --> 00:39:22,25
but complimentary to that and that's part
of the process to how is it that we can

453
00:39:22,26 --> 00:39:27,34
be complimentary to the efforts of those
other business owners around them obey as

454
00:39:27,35 --> 00:39:30,45
opposed to competitive and we need to have
dialogue in order to make sure that we

455
00:39:30,46 --> 00:39:37,28
do that. Any of these meetings that
you went to. Presentations did

456
00:39:37,29 --> 00:39:42,24
they discuss land
transportation after you unload

457
00:39:42,25 --> 00:39:48,92
a ship and then it's it's got to go somewhere
so did they address that at all yes

458
00:39:49,23 --> 00:39:55,22
they dressed in two ways one was capacity
from their perspective capacity to move

459
00:39:55,23 --> 00:39:56,13
the goods away from

460
00:39:56,14 --> 00:40:02,28
a port in an affective way to the impacts
basically environmental impacts of that

461
00:40:02,61 --> 00:40:02,77
was

462
00:40:02,78 --> 00:40:07,70
a big driver of the discussion of those and
soon talking about larger ports specially

463
00:40:07,94 --> 00:40:14,52
when the where the the impact of neighborhoods
was huge in their discussion but

464
00:40:14,53 --> 00:40:20,65
remember with the symposium I went to is
really mostly for people although they

465
00:40:20,66 --> 00:40:26,26
were addressed by environmental concerns
directly the the the director of the.

466
00:40:27,63 --> 00:40:31,66
Defense and the Natural Resource Defense
Council direct you know be able

467
00:40:31,67 --> 00:40:35,76
presentation center low in Fallout and
you know big environmentalist from down

468
00:40:35,77 --> 00:40:40,80
south who started his political career
really battling the Port of Long Beach so

469
00:40:41,02 --> 00:40:46,36
they're very aware of that in those ports
and they view it both as well they really

470
00:40:46,37 --> 00:40:46,71
viewed as

471
00:40:46,72 --> 00:40:51,66
a constraint but they're one that they're
willing to address directly as opposed to

472
00:40:52,29 --> 00:40:58,38
you know. In the trains are better for
all kinds of. What you know if they had

473
00:40:58,39 --> 00:41:04,94
thought. That. Sure. We're.

474
00:41:07,75 --> 00:41:11,99
There that all of the other ports or
who's shooting with Captain prove that

475
00:41:12,00 --> 00:41:16,90
projects that literally are hundreds of
millions and from paid for billions of

476
00:41:16,91 --> 00:41:23,64
dollars. And then they're moving ahead with
those infrastructure projects in spite

477
00:41:23,65 --> 00:41:30,04
of what your side. I mean we have

478
00:41:30,72 --> 00:41:34,48
prop one big. It's going to
spend a billion dollars on L.A.

479
00:41:34,49 --> 00:41:41,05
Long Beach and. The. The the

480
00:41:41,06 --> 00:41:45,45
payback scenarios are dropping because
of the competition in the build out of

481
00:41:45,46 --> 00:41:49,36
infrastructure in the diminishing the
trade but they're sitting on almost

482
00:41:49,37 --> 00:41:52,68
a billion dollars in cash. And

483
00:41:53,30 --> 00:42:00,00
a billion dollars additional in infrastructure.
And. Canada actually Vancouver

484
00:42:00,01 --> 00:42:05,31
and Prince Rupert are not down there
actually Koppen more of the Western trade

485
00:42:05,32 --> 00:42:10,52
market and so Rupert has got another six
hundred million they're putting in to on

486
00:42:10,53 --> 00:42:10,91
top of

487
00:42:10,92 --> 00:42:17,77
a billion already and invest in nine hundred
million this year and Tacoma is going

488
00:42:17,78 --> 00:42:23,46
ahead with four hundred million and it was
you know talking big and was like two

489
00:42:23,47 --> 00:42:28,20
billion and some of these will settle out
for sure because it changes in trade

490
00:42:28,21 --> 00:42:34,07
condition. And whether or not you know those
figures on the ships and the capacity

491
00:42:34,08 --> 00:42:38,51
you know some of those investment funds
look like sure money five years ago and

492
00:42:38,52 --> 00:42:42,04
then they programmed the deal and now
the ships were gone for three hundred

493
00:42:42,05 --> 00:42:42,82
thousand dollars for

494
00:42:42,83 --> 00:42:47,30
a trip and now they're gone for twenty five
thousand that's not likely to last but

495
00:42:48,26 --> 00:42:52,67
another words they're still Gamelin that
it's going to turn back up at their if

496
00:42:52,68 --> 00:42:57,49
they continued to expand but they're also
putting themselves in you know they're

497
00:42:57,50 --> 00:43:02,34
making competition in the west
coast more fierce in doing so.

498
00:43:07,39 --> 00:43:14,24
And in the people that.
Were there in the. One with

499
00:43:14,94 --> 00:43:21,70
the. Infrastructure Project.
In the Greek you know

500
00:43:21,71 --> 00:43:28,11
reversal in the fortunes of the west coast
trade but this the the saying one is is

501
00:43:28,20 --> 00:43:28,54
actually

502
00:43:28,55 --> 00:43:34,66
a lot of those projects have stopped or been
put on hold because of capital constraints

503
00:43:35,67 --> 00:43:38,32
and some of them have been put on hold but
that doesn't mean that they don't have

504
00:43:38,33 --> 00:43:42,01
them programmed and put you know their
plan for the military thing they're just

505
00:43:42,02 --> 00:43:46,68
like can't it's like just like everybody
in the business community can't quite get

506
00:43:46,69 --> 00:43:53,58
to that now but they're still they're
still moving. I mean they may be

507
00:43:53,77 --> 00:44:00,60
old but they still are have their
spots. And. You know these I assume are

508
00:44:00,61 --> 00:44:06,75
public funded Right right well public in
terms of the ports themselves are building

509
00:44:06,76 --> 00:44:12,65
them and most of them are
public agencies but the. Large.

510
00:44:13,77 --> 00:44:17,61
And in the week so the three weeks ago for

511
00:44:17,62 --> 00:44:24,21
a long beach there their city council.
Through this very large expansion.

512
00:44:25,31 --> 00:44:31,61
Of the four one and they call it the middle.
Middle Harbor project and big I mean

513
00:44:31,91 --> 00:44:38,18
you know well you know really.
It doesn't. There with me.

514
00:44:39,74 --> 00:44:43,59
What's next on the agenda is current
and near term Marine trade and port

515
00:44:43,60 --> 00:44:50,60
opportunities. Ships cargo capitalization
of the redwood dock. Potential trade

516
00:44:50,61 --> 00:44:56,42
partners and timeline for development and
we have David Hall our esteemed executive

517
00:44:56,43 --> 00:44:58,54
director who will introduce

518
00:44:58,55 --> 00:45:03,43
a topic and briefly recap the histories
the history of the District's.

519
00:45:05,93 --> 00:45:11,91
Direction here and then he will be followed
by. Wilson Lacy our maritime director.

520
00:45:15,46 --> 00:45:21,88
Who. Has got the mike there to
the right of Susan thanks to it

521
00:45:22,84 --> 00:45:28,85
for remembering. So much so yes that's.

522
00:45:35,41 --> 00:45:41,13
OK. Thanks. We're going to do a
little bit of a. Little bit of

523
00:45:41,14 --> 00:45:45,84
a tag team presentation on this Wilsons
actually got the note of the information

524
00:45:45,85 --> 00:45:49,55
for you but I thought it was
important since we've got kind of

525
00:45:49,56 --> 00:45:52,98
a mixed audience here some of you folks
actually live the stuff I'm going to talk

526
00:45:52,99 --> 00:45:57,33
about some of you others maybe not so
much so I wanted to kind of just spend

527
00:45:57,34 --> 00:46:00,74
a few minutes going through how the Harvard
history kind of got here as far as our

528
00:46:00,75 --> 00:46:04,61
marketing program where we're going kind
of the thread that got us here in the

529
00:46:04,62 --> 00:46:09,17
continuum that the District been working
on for several years to get to the place

530
00:46:09,18 --> 00:46:11,84
that we are right now it's not
like district just woke up

531
00:46:11,85 --> 00:46:14,88
a couple years ago and say do this this
is been something that's been in the

532
00:46:14,89 --> 00:46:18,54
mission of the district since it was formed
in one nine hundred seventy and it's

533
00:46:18,55 --> 00:46:21,04
something that we've been
following through for quite

534
00:46:21,05 --> 00:46:23,09
a while. I'm going to I'm going to do just

535
00:46:23,10 --> 00:46:26,63
a brief history of the harbor revitalization
just real brief and then Wilson's

536
00:46:26,64 --> 00:46:33,22
going to take over and do the current
long term. Focus on. Short history here.

537
00:46:36,27 --> 00:46:39,51
The need for hard revitalization I'm going
to back to the one nine hundred eighty

538
00:46:39,52 --> 00:46:39,65
S.

539
00:46:39,66 --> 00:46:44,09
And ninety's and kind of recap some things
for those of you that maybe weren't here

540
00:46:44,10 --> 00:46:46,96
or those you that didn't weren't aware of
this back in one thousand nine hundred

541
00:46:47,00 --> 00:46:51,07
ninety S. The port of Mobile
Bay actually started changing

542
00:46:51,08 --> 00:46:54,33
a little bit business wise and it always
had ups and downs it had gone for

543
00:46:54,34 --> 00:46:57,41
a long time Leroy's back here
somewhere Leroy can probably do

544
00:46:57,42 --> 00:47:01,57
a lot of this much better than I could
with the history but in the eighty's and

545
00:47:01,58 --> 00:47:06,31
ninety's things started to change in one
of the things that was was discovered was

546
00:47:06,32 --> 00:47:10,76
that our channels that we had the ten miles
of never geisha channels and home will

547
00:47:10,77 --> 00:47:16,80
be were at of depth that made us uncompetitive
with the the rest of the Pacific Rim

548
00:47:17,41 --> 00:47:22,46
shipping. The fleet the ships that were
actually in the Pacific Rim trade written

549
00:47:22,47 --> 00:47:26,77
bigger they're getting less powerful to
save on fuel and so they needed more room

550
00:47:26,78 --> 00:47:31,42
to maneuver things like this and we weren't
we weren't able to accommodate some of

551
00:47:31,43 --> 00:47:36,20
those it was it was becoming very worrisome
for the terminal operators and the port

552
00:47:36,21 --> 00:47:37,81
businesses that were here it was

553
00:47:37,82 --> 00:47:41,18
a practice of what they call light loading
which meant that because of our channel

554
00:47:41,19 --> 00:47:45,40
depths they had to bring in ships that were
we need to be the first port of call or

555
00:47:45,41 --> 00:47:48,07
they'd have to rearrange things
so that they couldn't pick up

556
00:47:48,08 --> 00:47:52,94
a whole load here which increase their
costs which again made us less competitive

557
00:47:53,78 --> 00:47:58,54
during that time the tonnage in humble they
decreased about twenty five percent for

558
00:47:58,55 --> 00:48:04,50
variety of reasons one of the things that
was also I think relevant is and still is

559
00:48:04,51 --> 00:48:09,49
is that we are and have been really a one
commodity port although we do fuel we do

560
00:48:09,50 --> 00:48:11,94
a lot of fuel here importing really were

561
00:48:11,95 --> 00:48:16,28
a forest products niche port and that's
you know when you have one commodity it

562
00:48:16,29 --> 00:48:19,70
tends to have the coming boom and bust
sort of situation that we're going through

563
00:48:19,71 --> 00:48:20,82
right now and then there was

564
00:48:20,83 --> 00:48:25,68
a result in loss of the Jew. In the skilled
labor that went along with that the

565
00:48:25,69 --> 00:48:29,50
district's answer was to start down
what we call in the port of handsome

566
00:48:29,51 --> 00:48:33,32
a program at that time and this is really
generated by the port and terminal

567
00:48:33,33 --> 00:48:37,24
operators they actually came to the
district and said channels are making us

568
00:48:37,25 --> 00:48:40,09
uncompetitive you know if we're going to
stay in business we really need the harbor

569
00:48:40,10 --> 00:48:44,08
district to help us out work with the Corps
of Engineers to get these channels deep

570
00:48:44,09 --> 00:48:50,03
and so the first phase was really the Harvard
deepening project. Again the goal was

571
00:48:50,04 --> 00:48:53,64
to modernize the the channels
infrastructure limited practice

572
00:48:53,65 --> 00:48:59,03
a light loading improve the navigation
safety not only for the big ships but also

573
00:48:59,04 --> 00:49:02,77
for the commercial fisherman and for the
the recreational fishermen anybody use the

574
00:49:02,78 --> 00:49:09,06
bay this was this was to help with that too
and lay the groundwork for then future

575
00:49:09,44 --> 00:49:14,33
future growth here in the port. The economic
goals that we that the district hoped

576
00:49:14,34 --> 00:49:18,62
to get from the deepening project were to
retain the existing cargo and stop what

577
00:49:18,63 --> 00:49:23,20
we were calling back then cargo leakage
because of this and competitive nature in

578
00:49:23,21 --> 00:49:26,58
the channel depths some of cargoes were
actually going to places like whose Bay or

579
00:49:26,59 --> 00:49:31,19
down the barrier things like this by truck
and big ship that from there the idea

580
00:49:31,20 --> 00:49:34,69
was to stop that develop new commodities
from what we were calling our hinterland

581
00:49:34,91 --> 00:49:40,87
at that time in our hinterland was basically
from here to Reno up into southern

582
00:49:40,88 --> 00:49:45,58
Oregon and down as far south as that was
the hinterland that we were looking to

583
00:49:45,76 --> 00:49:51,55
generate whatever was that we were really
that areas for and it was to attract some

584
00:49:51,56 --> 00:49:58,41
additional port related manufactures this
is just shows the channels that weren't

585
00:49:58,42 --> 00:50:02,36
part of the deepening project more dangerous
or more you know it was just right if

586
00:50:02,37 --> 00:50:08,46
you buy more right there you notice on your
own the field landing channel is not on

587
00:50:08,47 --> 00:50:14,52
there and that was we go would be here the
harbor district and what he worked for

588
00:50:14,53 --> 00:50:18,55
a lot of years to try to get the Corps of
Engineers in Congress to authorize that

589
00:50:18,56 --> 00:50:18,66
as

590
00:50:18,67 --> 00:50:23,37
a part of the deepening project is just
wasn't happening because I guess their final

591
00:50:23,38 --> 00:50:28,59
answer was there was only one o one terminal
operator down there and that was the O.

592
00:50:29,14 --> 00:50:34,96
And they didn't want to as practice spend
the of the federal money on just one

593
00:50:34,97 --> 00:50:39,08
business if there was multiple businesses
which there was on the other channel then

594
00:50:39,09 --> 00:50:42,33
it was OK so we but we did
work on that for quite

595
00:50:42,34 --> 00:50:47,45
a while so in June two thousand Deeping
project was completed after the deepening

596
00:50:47,46 --> 00:50:50,69
project what we're going to do then. Well
we knew that just because we deepen the

597
00:50:50,70 --> 00:50:54,42
channel we were going to have more business
it wasn't just going to show up just

598
00:50:54,43 --> 00:50:54,81
because we had

599
00:50:54,82 --> 00:50:58,35
a deeper channel there was going to have
to be more than that and so after about

600
00:50:58,36 --> 00:51:00,36
a year or so the district set on

601
00:51:00,37 --> 00:51:04,91
a path to to say Alright let's let's let's
look at the port facilities we have the

602
00:51:04,92 --> 00:51:08,73
sort of the assets the channel the the
current state of business around the

603
00:51:08,74 --> 00:51:12,41
properties that are here all the different
pieces that make up the port of Mobile

604
00:51:12,42 --> 00:51:15,56
Bay and see where the port of them will
be fits in the world of maritime shipping

605
00:51:15,57 --> 00:51:22,12
in the twenty first century. As part of
that we also define kind of what the port

606
00:51:22,13 --> 00:51:25,70
of humble Bay is this is kind of the area
that this came of the we're into the kind

607
00:51:25,71 --> 00:51:31,91
of the the middle late ninety's now. We
define that the Port of Mobile Bay Not as

608
00:51:31,92 --> 00:51:33,67
a single terminal but is really

609
00:51:33,68 --> 00:51:37,97
a geographic reference and that goes
basically from the small bridge down to the

610
00:51:37,98 --> 00:51:41,99
southern end of the field land that's the
port portion and those you that know our

611
00:51:42,00 --> 00:51:45,81
humble way Management Plan know that
North and South they are are not

612
00:51:45,82 --> 00:51:49,71
a part of any port plans ever that the
port activity is really limited right to

613
00:51:49,72 --> 00:51:53,31
that center part of the bay so that that
center part of the Bay of course covers

614
00:51:53,32 --> 00:51:58,63
three jurisdictions covers our districts
the counties in the city of Eureka's So we

615
00:51:58,67 --> 00:52:03,13
partnered with all three of those entities
and ultimately three other agencies to

616
00:52:03,14 --> 00:52:06,72
do what we call the harbor revitalization
plan as some of you know participate in

617
00:52:06,73 --> 00:52:10,23
this because now we're up into Would
two thousand and two we hired

618
00:52:10,24 --> 00:52:12,02
a consulting firm P.V.

619
00:52:12,03 --> 00:52:16,85
Ports and Marine to do that and that study
was completed in February of zero three

620
00:52:17,57 --> 00:52:21,12
again they looked at they looked at all
the parcels that were in that area they

621
00:52:21,13 --> 00:52:27,52
looked at. Marketing opportunities that
were out there one of the important things

622
00:52:27,53 --> 00:52:31,32
is they also they looked at not only
cargo opportunities but also non cargo

623
00:52:31,33 --> 00:52:37,22
opportunities that might be in that in
that particular port area. They looked at

624
00:52:37,23 --> 00:52:41,21
like said the parcels of two hundred thirty
five parcels in that in that area the

625
00:52:41,22 --> 00:52:45,76
group them into sixteen different different
key sites some with active terminal

626
00:52:45,77 --> 00:52:49,10
some with an active terminal some some
that were more appropriate for this non

627
00:52:49,11 --> 00:52:55,34
cargo kind of uses. They recommended
seven strategic focus areas in the final

628
00:52:55,35 --> 00:52:59,36
report they said that there was opportunities
for marine dependent industrial

629
00:52:59,89 --> 00:53:04,73
operations here and it's dry and liquid
bulk cargoes coastal future barge service

630
00:53:05,75 --> 00:53:06,58
this is a this is

631
00:53:06,59 --> 00:53:10,21
a slide from their presentation back
when so it's with current services rail

632
00:53:10,22 --> 00:53:16,30
services and service we have now.
Marine Science and tourism was

633
00:53:16,32 --> 00:53:18,91
a thing that they that
they thought had a had

634
00:53:18,92 --> 00:53:22,99
a real possibility and they planned for
that culture and commercial fishing they

635
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:27,01
said there was opportunities for those boat
building and of course Forest Products

636
00:53:27,01 --> 00:53:32,34
cargo him there was also thirty one other
recommendations made to the harbor

637
00:53:32,35 --> 00:53:38,19
district in the to the city in the county
the about harbor development one of them

638
00:53:38,20 --> 00:53:42,87
you can see there's. Right there at the
top the dedicated proactive Marine

639
00:53:42,88 --> 00:53:46,09
marketing function they said that that was
something that was really missing that

640
00:53:46,10 --> 00:53:51,22
was something that really needed to be.
Available there and that would include

641
00:53:51,23 --> 00:53:55,100
Marine dependent industrial marketing calls
to barge feeder monitoring cruise ship

642
00:53:56,98 --> 00:54:01,15
marketing in dry and liquid bookmarking
So pretty much all the other commodities

643
00:54:01,16 --> 00:54:04,12
that they said were appropriate
for here they thought there was

644
00:54:04,13 --> 00:54:08,95
a real gap in in marketing direct marketing
of those marine dependent thing they

645
00:54:08,96 --> 00:54:13,82
also said those agencies should support the
transportation improvements to the road

646
00:54:14,28 --> 00:54:14,97
and to

647
00:54:15,21 --> 00:54:21,65
a bunch of highway projects such as the
Buckhorn grade. So their vision was that

648
00:54:21,66 --> 00:54:22,08
there's

649
00:54:22,44 --> 00:54:26,35
a large parcel Marine dependent industrial
kind of activities and be out on similar

650
00:54:26,35 --> 00:54:31,97
. That niche boat cargoes would also be
at Samoa but also down in fields landing.

651
00:54:33,36 --> 00:54:34,02
That there would be

652
00:54:34,03 --> 00:54:40,85
a public terminal facility somewhere on
the bay that the long term focus for

653
00:54:40,86 --> 00:54:45,81
Eurekas downtown and by them they
meant downtown and toward B.

654
00:54:46,46 --> 00:54:52,77
Area was that that's where the marine
science and tourism center would go. From

655
00:54:52,78 --> 00:54:56,63
homes for aqua culture and commercial
fishermen these are permanent landside homes

656
00:54:56,67 --> 00:54:59,30
at that time you remember there
was there wasn't one for

657
00:54:59,31 --> 00:55:04,55
a culture that the commercial fishing
industry was was struggling to pick up pieces

658
00:55:04,56 --> 00:55:06,06
of land around so that they could have

659
00:55:06,07 --> 00:55:10,74
a permanent shore site area and active
development of coastal feeders at the

660
00:55:10,75 --> 00:55:14,57
private term coastal feeders being that
the barge service that we've been talking

661
00:55:15,18 --> 00:55:18,72
so those two thousand and three so in the
last couple slides here what's changed

662
00:55:19,42 --> 00:55:22,59
since the harbor revitalization plan was
completed in two thousand and three Well

663
00:55:22,60 --> 00:55:26,12
there's been several things one of them
up theirs is diesels over two dollars

664
00:55:26,13 --> 00:55:26,48
a gallon

665
00:55:26,87 --> 00:55:30,45
a Marine in this very room with all those
consultants back in two thousand and two

666
00:55:31,11 --> 00:55:32,34
saying well what would kick off

667
00:55:32,35 --> 00:55:35,81
a coastal barge service or what would be
something like that and one of them said

668
00:55:35,82 --> 00:55:39,67
well if it doesn't want to over two dollars
and we all laughed Well look we are now

669
00:55:39,67 --> 00:55:45,18
. The global economic downturn of course
is has changed the face of things that's

670
00:55:45,19 --> 00:55:49,84
that we're all familiar with the state of
California although they don't show it

671
00:55:49,85 --> 00:55:50,03
with

672
00:55:50,04 --> 00:55:55,46
a checkbook they recognize the importance
of the state's deep water ports back in

673
00:55:55,47 --> 00:55:59,97
two thousand and you know as recently as
two thousand and two they hardly recognize

674
00:55:59,98 --> 00:56:03,21
that they were part of the transportation
system they thought they were just

675
00:56:03,99 --> 00:56:08,41
scattered independent kind of entities
around they now have changed that the pulp

676
00:56:08,42 --> 00:56:12,20
mill course is two thousand and three is
sold three times now it's now closed for

677
00:56:12,21 --> 00:56:13,83
eight hundred twenty four
months and we've got

678
00:56:13,84 --> 00:56:17,50
a new stevedore in that period of time
Westphal stevedores went out of business

679
00:56:17,51 --> 00:56:18,13
S.S.A.

680
00:56:18,42 --> 00:56:23,42
Took over the other changes that happen
manger plan was completed in two thousand

681
00:56:23,43 --> 00:56:27,28
and six and that's important and
relevant here because the harbor

682
00:56:27,42 --> 00:56:33,81
a lot of the harbor. Pieces of the harbor
revitalization plan actually got folded

683
00:56:33,85 --> 00:56:37,21
into the humbled a management plan in our
harbor section if you've seen it there's

684
00:56:37,22 --> 00:56:42,04
a harbor recreation conservation set of
policies for each and some of those ended

685
00:56:42,05 --> 00:56:46,32
up as the harbor policies and that.
The distinct followed through on

686
00:56:46,33 --> 00:56:50,75
a bunch of the recommendations that were
in their short see shipping project we've

687
00:56:50,79 --> 00:56:54,46
we've started that back in two thousand and
three with the Port of Oakland and I'm

688
00:56:54,47 --> 00:56:59,56
sure most of you recognize that we've also
the most recently been working with us

689
00:56:59,57 --> 00:57:01,97
Stephen pepper here on on
his thing as well as a

690
00:57:01,98 --> 00:57:08,43
a coast wide you know from Canada
Mexico effort. We've acquired the

691
00:57:08,69 --> 00:57:11,48
the marine terminal member there was
one of the recommendations was for

692
00:57:11,49 --> 00:57:15,69
a public terminal we picked up the redwood
marine terminal complete feasibility

693
00:57:15,70 --> 00:57:20,19
study business planning as on all that
and we're initiating the sequel process

694
00:57:20,20 --> 00:57:24,13
right now and that we created and filled
the port marketing position memory was all

695
00:57:24,14 --> 00:57:28,43
that emphasis on marketing the port that's
what Wilson Lacy is for and that's what

696
00:57:29,26 --> 00:57:33,41
when we filled in two thousand and seven
permitted the landside aku culture

697
00:57:33,42 --> 00:57:38,44
facility that's over kind of the southern
end of the redwood marine terminal that's

698
00:57:38,48 --> 00:57:42,74
that's taking care of an assistant city
regular with the land say the fisherman's

699
00:57:42,75 --> 00:57:45,54
terminal project So that's again that's
something that's been going on for

700
00:57:45,55 --> 00:57:51,16
a long time and we've helped with that
So with that I'm going to turn it.

701
00:57:52,61 --> 00:57:57,21
Over to Wilson. David.

702
00:57:59,42 --> 00:58:04,96
Sales staff are good. And can get big better
than this I mean if I had this kind of

703
00:58:04,97 --> 00:58:08,96
sales staff in the past I probably wouldn't
be up here looking for money right now

704
00:58:09,89 --> 00:58:15,13
anyway get on with this program
for you and I can read this.

705
00:58:18,83 --> 00:58:22,27
We're going to remember how to do it
Mobile Harbor Granger guys probably heard

706
00:58:22,28 --> 00:58:23,87
about that recently I
just want to give you

707
00:58:23,88 --> 00:58:28,42
a picture one there's one for sale in
Maryland. And bring that up now because

708
00:58:28,43 --> 00:58:28,74
there's been

709
00:58:28,75 --> 00:58:35,01
a lot of talk about container and barge and
this what it looks like. And of course

710
00:58:35,36 --> 00:58:39,61
the security and cruise ship we know what
they look like and the reason I'm talking

711
00:58:39,62 --> 00:58:46,17
about this now says the targets this is
Prince Rupert he leaves it on dock real

712
00:58:46,18 --> 00:58:50,63
very small it's not big probably and
they're part of a half million T.

713
00:58:50,64 --> 00:58:56,06
Use because they just move out you know to
stick around there I think this is South

714
00:58:56,15 --> 00:58:59,00
American port think it's
San Antonio and chill

715
00:58:59,01 --> 00:59:04,97
a. Been the most these places this is
a cluster and I'll talk about that

716
00:59:04,98 --> 00:59:09,80
a little bit as we go through the end of
an in one ports call this is actually

717
00:59:09,81 --> 00:59:15,35
a Delano way that the commissioner mentioned
earlier about investment in Port of

718
00:59:15,36 --> 00:59:19,61
Virginia these are the people that built
that that's California state employees.

719
00:59:20,89 --> 00:59:25,09
And this is the Pasha's
container or this is actually

720
00:59:25,10 --> 00:59:30,16
a posh car ship and it's called the oval
so you'll see that in the sly they just

721
00:59:30,17 --> 00:59:36,91
want to know with them. Our marketing
program is from zero seven to present. Are

722
00:59:36,92 --> 00:59:40,67
targeted commodities and when I say the
commodities to the owners of the free we

723
00:59:40,68 --> 00:59:45,66
have to we've targeted them and they've
been part of our targeted program. To steal

724
00:59:45,93 --> 00:59:50,71
autos containers tourist stuff we've talked
about already are funding sources are

725
00:59:50,81 --> 00:59:53,05
probably private partnerships there's

726
00:59:53,06 --> 00:59:57,80
a number of those out there five or six
banks right now are starting to freeze

727
00:59:58,26 --> 01:00:00,34
built build their
infrastructure funds up there's

728
01:00:00,35 --> 01:00:05,18
a lot of investment people are looking to
get their money out of cash now and start

729
01:00:05,26 --> 01:00:10,45
putting back into the US from an agency
grant funding most of the folks here have

730
01:00:10,46 --> 01:00:13,98
been involved in that over time
bonding of course in the Tiffy

731
01:00:13,99 --> 01:00:20,44
a program which is another government loan
program to help build out. Facilities

732
01:00:21,07 --> 01:00:25,49
are target partners and these are
actually mostly term operators and ship

733
01:00:25,50 --> 01:00:27,02
management companies there's

734
01:00:27,03 --> 01:00:32,03
a good crew shipping green highway system
which we work with him along that.

735
01:00:36,20 --> 01:00:40,92
Are going to remember how to use this that
this is us this is our town we're all to

736
01:00:40,93 --> 01:00:47,27
win each other something that's going on
in. The harbor revitalization plan Dave

737
01:00:47,28 --> 01:00:51,33
talked about that on the distress of much
humble Bay management when he talked

738
01:00:51,34 --> 01:00:57,76
about that the two thousand two thousand
and eleven strategic plan that's

739
01:00:58,20 --> 01:01:03,25
really good Marine term primarily feasibility
study was done legislative programs

740
01:01:03,53 --> 01:01:03,69
there's

741
01:01:03,70 --> 01:01:08,46
a number of those out there we can talk
about those individually or you can ask the

742
01:01:08,47 --> 01:01:12,77
commissioners for we can give you the
data on that if you need it the upstate

743
01:01:12,81 --> 01:01:16,76
Economic Development Commission is one
of those groups that are involved I'm

744
01:01:16,77 --> 01:01:21,91
involved in that and they've appointed me
to that also the city's involved in it

745
01:01:22,31 --> 01:01:22,72
this is

746
01:01:22,73 --> 01:01:27,39
a twenty one upstate counties the
under-represented counties in California really.

747
01:01:28,50 --> 01:01:30,29
The west coast Corridor Coalition I'm

748
01:01:30,30 --> 01:01:35,68
a member of that as well and that's mostly
the Coggs San Diego's the board chair.

749
01:01:36,06 --> 01:01:40,24
They also have an executive director and
that there their main function as far as

750
01:01:40,25 --> 01:01:47,22
we're concerned is the Marine Highway System.
This is the president's stimulus bill

751
01:01:48,20 --> 01:01:52,88
one of the twenty seven point five
billion that's a R A The other was

752
01:01:52,89 --> 01:01:58,82
a one point five billion for infrastructure
funding of we didn't qualify for the A

753
01:01:58,83 --> 01:02:03,74
or A because most of that goes into public
transportation but there is some part

754
01:02:03,80 --> 01:02:07,96
possibilities and some talk of funding
we're looking at that cruise shipping

755
01:02:07,97 --> 01:02:12,75
program for Cruise California we're looking
at that with the cruise of some members

756
01:02:12,76 --> 01:02:19,29
of cruise the west these are primarily
the California cities. Of San Diego Los

757
01:02:19,30 --> 01:02:24,69
Angeles San Francisco inner selves to do
something in the off off season when they

758
01:02:24,70 --> 01:02:30,06
leave Alaska want to come and cruise
California for the Go back to the Caribbean

759
01:02:30,75 --> 01:02:30,92
there's

760
01:02:30,93 --> 01:02:35,37
a lot of interest in that but we have
infrastructure issues here as well so we will

761
01:02:35,38 --> 01:02:40,75
talk about that as we go. Steamship line
recognition that was something that we

762
01:02:40,76 --> 01:02:46,65
worked on I think we're pretty well known
now as far as carriers of both the whole

763
01:02:46,66 --> 01:02:46,92
group

764
01:02:46,93 --> 01:02:52,45
a list that I mentioned earlier not just
containers other other carriers brickwall

765
01:02:52,46 --> 01:02:57,51
from both carriers are familiar with US A
Marine Highway Program as that initiative

766
01:02:57,52 --> 01:02:59,37
has taken fires a lot

767
01:02:59,38 --> 01:03:02,83
a lot of work is being done on the east
coast they'll probably be just for the

768
01:03:02,95 --> 01:03:05,73
launch either it's already being done to

769
01:03:06,55 --> 01:03:13,36
a smaller degree in the. Great Lakes region
it's primarily the Canadian trade and

770
01:03:13,37 --> 01:03:18,39
getting the stuff off of those
can just nightmares there. And

771
01:03:18,40 --> 01:03:22,58
a California goods move an action plan is
something that we were heavily involved

772
01:03:22,59 --> 01:03:26,67
in and we still are on that next one the
money that the commissioner mentioned

773
01:03:26,68 --> 01:03:31,71
earlier So those are sort of our programs
and then we have an alternate power

774
01:03:31,72 --> 01:03:37,89
program in this so there's others to make
sure. When forms are on on the list for

775
01:03:37,90 --> 01:03:41,67
up here and we're trying to assure that
the you know the port kits that kind of

776
01:03:41,68 --> 01:03:45,56
business into this area we've
already got some of the P.G. And E.

777
01:03:46,04 --> 01:03:50,16
Transformers in and I think
Redwood Hannibal's for us.

778
01:03:55,70 --> 01:03:59,41
Specific a specific get
Lutrell with my wish for

779
01:04:00,06 --> 01:04:03,64
a specific an ongoing marketing activities
over the past twenty months and we'll

780
01:04:03,65 --> 01:04:04,46
talk about there's

781
01:04:04,47 --> 01:04:08,10
a whole list of things that we do I'm not
going to school room because you know our

782
01:04:08,11 --> 01:04:14,30
time is limited but most of them are
mentioned earlier but these are just things

783
01:04:14,31 --> 01:04:17,71
that are ongoing or in process
or what we have worked on.

784
01:04:23,63 --> 01:04:29,37
Our advantages are many one. Mission
Wilson mentioned it was we have

785
01:04:29,38 --> 01:04:33,11
a lot of space another one that we haven't
mentioned as it were to name two days

786
01:04:33,12 --> 01:04:36,91
closer to Hong Kong that's a big deal
Russian hundred thousand dollars

787
01:04:36,92 --> 01:04:39,27
a day off route ships so two days is

788
01:04:39,28 --> 01:04:45,36
a lot. Uncongested
cargo. A rail connection

789
01:04:46,12 --> 01:04:50,90
between us in the US Well we certainly have
that I think that I think we qualify we

790
01:04:50,91 --> 01:04:51,25
don't have

791
01:04:51,26 --> 01:04:57,65
a railroad but we certainly qualify as being
on congested. Less deep water port in

792
01:04:57,66 --> 01:05:03,35
California and. That's a
true that's a truism we have

793
01:05:03,61 --> 01:05:04,70
a deep water channel

794
01:05:04,71 --> 01:05:07,67
a lot of money's been spent the biggest
part of your money is ever going to be

795
01:05:07,68 --> 01:05:09,83
spent is the dredging and

796
01:05:09,84 --> 01:05:15,08
a lot of that has been done. Especially
in the middle channel that's that's big

797
01:05:15,09 --> 01:05:21,97
money they've verify there we've got I
think we could bill for them. Capacity

798
01:05:21,98 --> 01:05:27,78
growth. This is where most of our products
that come from if we're going to talk

799
01:05:27,79 --> 01:05:32,90
about just import exports refrigerated
products are big in California especially

800
01:05:32,91 --> 01:05:34,82
the valley the valleys pretty
close to us and there's

801
01:05:34,83 --> 01:05:39,70
a lot of cargo that moves you know three
or four hundred miles in that valley that

802
01:05:39,88 --> 01:05:42,35
ends up going over other ports even L.A.

803
01:05:42,36 --> 01:05:45,07
There's stuff coming as far as
reading that ends up going over L.A.

804
01:05:45,24 --> 01:05:47,39
Stuff from Oregon that
ends up going over L.A.

805
01:05:47,40 --> 01:05:52,54
Believe it or not that's just the way that
highway five corridor is works regional

806
01:05:52,55 --> 01:05:58,66
imports and we talk about that they
mentioned earlier with the news that I used

807
01:05:59,25 --> 01:06:00,36
regional imports and that's

808
01:06:00,37 --> 01:06:05,20
a Sacramento Valley these cities. Hender
land OK well I don't we we're not going to

809
01:06:05,21 --> 01:06:10,00
call it that since we're all part of the
same state so we had imports and exports

810
01:06:10,54 --> 01:06:14,21
our farm products are the main thing out
of the valley it's billions and billions

811
01:06:14,22 --> 01:06:20,56
of dollars in its moves and all kinds of
different ways and our regional imports

812
01:06:20,57 --> 01:06:23,67
are the same way. There's

813
01:06:23,68 --> 01:06:28,24
a lot of the season with the Caesars
distribution centers so the big the big.

814
01:06:30,82 --> 01:06:31,93
One to Target store that's

815
01:06:31,94 --> 01:06:35,61
a better way to explain or Costco or
something like that they they take all their

816
01:06:35,62 --> 01:06:39,65
products and they receive them from different
areas and then they they move them

817
01:06:39,66 --> 01:06:44,77
over that's how that's kind of how that's
done. Domestic services and that's again

818
01:06:44,78 --> 01:06:48,52
a container on barge operation primarily
in that what that means is you take stuff

819
01:06:48,53 --> 01:06:51,99
out of the containers leave the containers
unimportant put them in big trucks move

820
01:06:52,00 --> 01:06:56,69
him another way we've got surplus land of
plenty and we there's another big this is

821
01:06:56,70 --> 01:07:02,94
one of the biggest benefits we have foreign
troops. Were an enterprise zone. A

822
01:07:02,95 --> 01:07:06,77
customs area. Coast Guard regional H.Q.

823
01:07:06,77 --> 01:07:13,45
. Current economic pictures allows
when you have extra time for us to do

824
01:07:13,46 --> 01:07:18,77
a lot of evaluating official access to
international gateways we certainly have

825
01:07:18,78 --> 01:07:23,58
that you can get in and out of the space
in an hour. If you going into San

826
01:07:23,59 --> 01:07:28,41
Francisco you've got to go forty miles out
of Kentucky hours to get services Kobe

827
01:07:28,42 --> 01:07:32,92
believe it or not the ships have to sit out
their way for the pilots and I think we

828
01:07:32,93 --> 01:07:38,26
have exceptional community and labor support
here especially in the business sector

829
01:07:38,27 --> 01:07:45,25
at least from my experience and I think
that it's. And what we're doing here today

830
01:07:45,29 --> 01:07:45,82
is it is

831
01:07:45,83 --> 01:07:55,40
a good example of that. Cooperation. I

832
01:07:55,41 --> 01:07:58,81
mentioned the distance is in times I thought
this might be something that's worth

833
01:07:58,82 --> 01:08:04,00
a flash today seaward fifty eight hundred
miles from Hong Kong versus L.A.

834
01:08:04,67 --> 01:08:08,88
At about sixty three hundred
in Oklahoma sixty one so

835
01:08:08,89 --> 01:08:10,50
a ship can move up one hundred miles

836
01:08:10,51 --> 01:08:17,77
a day. And this is. This

837
01:08:17,78 --> 01:08:23,84
is our this is what we all have offered
here we have exactly the same things sort

838
01:08:23,85 --> 01:08:29,20
of Los Angeles provide the same thing that
Port of Oakland Seattle any other four

839
01:08:29,21 --> 01:08:34,24
provides we have those here in the bay and
I don't know how many people remember

840
01:08:34,28 --> 01:08:38,82
you know that bunch or the business community
that's involved with Ford and that's

841
01:08:39,08 --> 01:08:44,32
a very special thing in the planning concept.
Because if you don't have customs you

842
01:08:44,33 --> 01:08:48,77
don't have Homeland Security you know the
big problem in the modern world anyway.

843
01:08:50,96 --> 01:08:52,64
The market constraints we know we have

844
01:08:52,65 --> 01:08:58,35
a small market here as mentioned earlier.
We don't know what our what our economic

845
01:08:58,36 --> 01:09:05,34
outlook is at least for now in.
Underdeveloped container support

846
01:09:05,35 --> 01:09:06,66
services we don't have

847
01:09:06,67 --> 01:09:11,40
a lot of that we don't have trans loading
so these regional we don't even really

848
01:09:11,41 --> 01:09:11,54
have

849
01:09:11,55 --> 01:09:15,24
a local regional or nation policy I think
that's what the commissioners are trying

850
01:09:15,25 --> 01:09:21,61
to put together here. We have.
Plenty of suitable property.

851
01:09:22,57 --> 01:09:27,67
Somewhere constraints obviously are going
to be railroad control and private hands

852
01:09:27,68 --> 01:09:32,74
or a moment so we don't really
have any control over it and

853
01:09:33,24 --> 01:09:38,69
a uniform public court policy will stay we
don't have that we don't even have it as

854
01:09:38,70 --> 01:09:42,98
a national policy and almost every
other state in the union has

855
01:09:42,99 --> 01:09:47,81
a policy where the state is
involved or the so we're still

856
01:09:47,82 --> 01:09:52,40
a complete local policy so it's almost
like we're in the wild west still there to

857
01:09:52,41 --> 01:09:53,59
the rest of the world so you have

858
01:09:54,10 --> 01:09:58,89
a small port competing with itself and
other ports in the area that's what

859
01:09:58,90 --> 01:10:03,75
California is like they've been working
hard I mean really hard to get that point

860
01:10:03,76 --> 01:10:08,00
across to the state and I think we're
starting to do it that's what the goods

861
01:10:08,01 --> 01:10:12,59
movement action plan did that. In
two thousand and six there was

862
01:10:12,60 --> 01:10:19,48
a cheer that Kappa at the time
that's one solution was. Near term

863
01:10:19,63 --> 01:10:20,19
outlook

864
01:10:21,42 --> 01:10:26,94
a Marine Highway system activated Redwood
terminal phase one multipurpose which was

865
01:10:26,95 --> 01:10:33,37
mentioned earlier by David foreign trade
zone trans lowball facilities in Bonn

866
01:10:33,38 --> 01:10:38,90
facilities if if we don't know what that
is people can always ask and we'll give it

867
01:10:38,91 --> 01:10:45,37
a cruise facility of some type of
culture terminal completed fishermen.

868
01:10:46,84 --> 01:10:50,64
And this was talked about earlier so I'm
just going to let you read it off of the

869
01:10:50,65 --> 01:10:57,59
map for. A long term outlook
ideas and potentials.

870
01:10:59,67 --> 01:11:00,41
We've had

871
01:11:00,42 --> 01:11:04,81
a lot of discussion on that already so
I'm just going to give it logistic park

872
01:11:04,82 --> 01:11:08,65
clusters I thought I'd mention that in
a mobile phone network connection it's

873
01:11:08,66 --> 01:11:13,06
a big deal and I think the last item I
have here is the California interregional

874
01:11:13,63 --> 01:11:18,51
intermodal system this is something that
Senator Feinstein put together of when I

875
01:11:18,52 --> 01:11:22,14
was in Oakland share actually funded
a study on it and what it is is

876
01:11:22,15 --> 01:11:29,14
a rail network that replaces. This
primarily started by the farmers to get

877
01:11:29,42 --> 01:11:34,08
trucks off of the highways and on to some
regional intermodal system where the

878
01:11:34,09 --> 01:11:38,59
state of California so big that's almost
like a country so that that highway that

879
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:42,23
a real short line railroad
system in the Comes

880
01:11:42,48 --> 01:11:46,100
a state of California real road system
and we call that service for no other.

881
01:11:50,64 --> 01:11:56,76
No no other way in Akron him
together. This is this is

882
01:11:56,77 --> 01:12:02,14
a red wooden. And this is based on what
the board's already approved some of this

883
01:12:02,15 --> 01:12:08,35
data we're at this process now of getting
in or if you out on the street to do your

884
01:12:08,36 --> 01:12:14,43
design and engineering for the conceptual
part of it. If that gets approved say by

885
01:12:14,44 --> 01:12:18,66
the end of next year or the middle part
of two thousand and ten construction can

886
01:12:18,67 --> 01:12:23,41
commit if we course we have the funding in
the board approves it and then we can be

887
01:12:23,42 --> 01:12:29,96
operational ideally around two thousand and
thirteen just despite the sheer fact of

888
01:12:29,97 --> 01:12:34,54
time so there's no short term thing would
probably be in the two thousand and

889
01:12:34,55 --> 01:12:40,48
thirteen range if we everything works out
the way we plan it. Phase two which is

890
01:12:40,52 --> 01:12:46,01
what we've talked about in the past so much
the container operation they can be run

891
01:12:46,02 --> 01:12:49,81
concurrently but generally it would work
something in that order and then if we

892
01:12:49,82 --> 01:12:50,04
built

893
01:12:50,05 --> 01:12:54,17
a cruise dock we would do it in the same
way Chris doc doesn't have to be which you

894
01:12:54,18 --> 01:12:54,48
have to have

895
01:12:54,49 --> 01:12:59,46
a nice place for the folks to get off the
ship and to get rid can't just have them

896
01:12:59,47 --> 01:13:02,38
put them on and some lighter
if three years old got to have

897
01:13:02,39 --> 01:13:03,99
a way for them to you know have

898
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:10,96
a nice way to move. And then. This sort of

899
01:13:11,47 --> 01:13:17,07
I think I'm running out of time here folks.
Commissioners are getting antsy this is

900
01:13:17,07 --> 01:13:22,54
. A theoretical economic and.

901
01:13:23,76 --> 01:13:25,74
Item for example of

902
01:13:25,75 --> 01:13:29,80
a container terminal this would be something
similar to Prince Rupert with one ship

903
01:13:29,81 --> 01:13:34,02
Call it be about two hundred fifty the
economic value is about five hundred fifty

904
01:13:34,22 --> 01:13:41,09
million to the local area on an investment
of. Probably sixty million sixty five

905
01:13:41,10 --> 01:13:47,82
million something like that. And that's
based on just those those those numbers. I

906
01:13:47,83 --> 01:13:51,82
don't think it's significant but it's
something I thought people might want to take

907
01:13:51,83 --> 01:13:58,47
a look at. Says summit

908
01:13:58,85 --> 01:13:59,50
information

909
01:13:59,51 --> 01:14:04,52
a Department of Transportation is predicting
and the commission Wilson had that

910
01:14:04,80 --> 01:14:09,71
this is next to an extract of that that I
did base to twenty twenty five Most of

911
01:14:09,72 --> 01:14:14,33
them one out twenty thirty five. Ports
Gross in megacities is counter to the

912
01:14:14,34 --> 01:14:18,39
current long range planning there's nowhere
in the world where they're building big

913
01:14:18,40 --> 01:14:21,89
ports in big cities anymore they're
building the ports outside the cities and

914
01:14:21,90 --> 01:14:26,52
smaller communities smaller areas and less
congested areas and bring stuff in so

915
01:14:26,53 --> 01:14:32,64
the servicing the mega-cities by way of
because it just an example up here in this

916
01:14:32,65 --> 01:14:33,40
area you can build

917
01:14:33,41 --> 01:14:39,30
a freeway probably for three to five
million dollars in law. Sandals to do the

918
01:14:39,31 --> 01:14:42,37
seven ten o'clock cost one hundred
million to do that because of

919
01:14:42,67 --> 01:14:47,19
a small section of human a few
miles so that's kind of that thing

920
01:14:47,69 --> 01:14:51,06
a global private interest
infrastructure still is still looking

921
01:14:51,07 --> 01:14:55,94
a port that was mentioned earlier so
I don't need to elaborate on. All

922
01:14:55,95 --> 01:15:02,37
international ports or expanding that was
talked about. For short term job creation

923
01:15:02,78 --> 01:15:05,34
Panama Canal is is not going to be

924
01:15:05,35 --> 01:15:08,81
a real issue I think that was
talked about the mission and Wilson

925
01:15:08,82 --> 01:15:10,55
a little bit so I don't need to go on

926
01:15:11,07 --> 01:15:14,44
a ship operations in reason
I will mention that is

927
01:15:14,45 --> 01:15:16,24
a ship operations around
one hundred thousand

928
01:15:16,25 --> 01:15:19,98
a day so you had six or seven more ships
to be able to make this weekly service

929
01:15:20,22 --> 01:15:24,67
that you need to be able to provide just
added up containers plus each of those

930
01:15:24,68 --> 01:15:26,70
ports with those ships
have to call have to view

931
01:15:26,71 --> 01:15:33,71
a grid so we're talking about.
Multiples of billions. All West ports

932
01:15:33,72 --> 01:15:37,43
and railroads are continuing to invest
the railroads are investing eight or ten

933
01:15:37,44 --> 01:15:40,61
billion a year. The T.E.U.

934
01:15:40,62 --> 01:15:44,19
Numbers are still have to about the
zero five level and I think we saw that

935
01:15:44,20 --> 01:15:50,70
demonstrated later earlier and non-governmental
jobs are all all time high in both

936
01:15:50,71 --> 01:15:55,34
stayed in I think the county as well the
only new jobs I've seen or been government

937
01:15:55,35 --> 01:16:01,08
jobs Thank you Mr to sticks came up through
even worse than last couple of days and

938
01:16:01,09 --> 01:16:03,94
private funding is starting to
loosen up we've been getting

939
01:16:03,98 --> 01:16:09,97
a lot of calls for people to
look at our port lately. And

940
01:16:10,87 --> 01:16:11,40
finally

941
01:16:12,15 --> 01:16:17,82
a government N.G.O.s management labor needs
to be consistently work together and I

942
01:16:17,83 --> 01:16:24,20
think that's what this forum do for
us. A final thought I've been in this

943
01:16:24,83 --> 01:16:28,41
business I don't know other businesses so
I only know this business I've been in it

944
01:16:28,42 --> 01:16:32,93
for over forty years so I've been both
of them in the in the private and public

945
01:16:32,94 --> 01:16:39,16
sector so I don't have to explain that.
But what I have what I. Well say is that

946
01:16:39,44 --> 01:16:44,73
ports are global assets of today in the
modern world we don't ports along to the

947
01:16:44,94 --> 01:16:49,49
kind of the glow of we're going to have to
move ten billion people from we over the

948
01:16:49,50 --> 01:16:53,81
next hundred years in the world and we need
places for all of us to move our goods

949
01:16:53,82 --> 01:16:54,33
to and from

950
01:16:54,34 --> 01:17:00,13
a very small world today you can fly
anywhere in the world in twelve hours so.

951
01:17:01,77 --> 01:17:01,90
There's

952
01:17:01,91 --> 01:17:06,76
a lot of interest in that in the Bay.
At the Port of humble Bay certainly has

953
01:17:06,77 --> 01:17:13,67
a role I believe and. Private Investment
believes the humble Bay has it if if

954
01:17:13,75 --> 01:17:19,07
they can get the community. The feel from
the community that we we want to all move

955
01:17:19,08 --> 01:17:23,30
in the same direction that was mentioned
earlier by both commissioners and I think

956
01:17:23,31 --> 01:17:28,75
that if we continue to move in the direction
that we're going I think the long term

957
01:17:28,94 --> 01:17:34,30
will be right there and I don't think we
need to have have any fear of creating

958
01:17:34,31 --> 01:17:40,17
jobs. We're talking about just the cost
of the jobs themselves so about over

959
01:17:40,18 --> 01:17:44,96
a thousand man years and be created just
by building on these from over there so

960
01:17:44,97 --> 01:17:45,54
that's a lot

961
01:17:45,86 --> 01:17:49,74
a lot of work for on the front end not just
permanent jobs but these are front end

962
01:17:49,75 --> 01:17:54,70
jobs for people to start work in hammer
nails and that's what I. Think you will

963
01:17:54,71 --> 01:17:59,65
send OK Thank you. I would take
questions from the very first order.

964
01:18:01,98 --> 01:18:08,36
You want to sit next to my farewells and
the people for you. You can sit here on

965
01:18:08,40 --> 01:18:15,17
this question. This is
for it. This is for Dave

966
01:18:15,18 --> 01:18:15,86
Hall is just

967
01:18:15,87 --> 01:18:19,43
a matter of some background when you mention
the twenty five percent last cargo and

968
01:18:19,92 --> 01:18:21,07
the one nine hundred eighty S.

969
01:18:21,62 --> 01:18:27,04
The leakage and then the and just this
is the understanding for me and then the

970
01:18:27,15 --> 01:18:30,65
deepening project that happened was that
twenty five percent ever recovered after

971
01:18:30,66 --> 01:18:32,10
that it wasn't

972
01:18:32,36 --> 01:18:36,52
a great part of the twenty five percent
was the closing of the Simpson Pokemon OK

973
01:18:37,23 --> 01:18:40,70
but there was some other there was some
lumber that used to be shipped out here in

974
01:18:40,71 --> 01:18:44,65
that time period ended up going to Coos Bay
There were some other commodities that

975
01:18:44,71 --> 01:18:49,35
to get the private sector here concerned
that they were going to lose it all if we

976
01:18:49,36 --> 01:18:55,33
didn't keep the channel so we did it did
the right you did make it safer as we

977
01:18:55,34 --> 01:19:00,68
remember that was one of the things we every
year in recent memory the record that

978
01:19:01,60 --> 01:19:05,44
we probably lost somebody on the bar during
the winter time commercial fishermen

979
01:19:05,45 --> 01:19:10,08
wise until that evening project since
then we haven't had anybody write down

980
01:19:10,56 --> 01:19:15,48
a major safety improvement it also eliminated
instantly the light loading threat

981
01:19:15,49 --> 01:19:18,78
that's now it was. At the shippers discretion
whether they wanted to come in like

982
01:19:18,79 --> 01:19:20,17
that or not it was in

983
01:19:20,18 --> 01:19:24,39
a requirement and that really they really
helped the competitive edge for the ship

984
01:19:24,40 --> 01:19:28,75
which is all right thank you have one
other question that is regarding the two

985
01:19:28,76 --> 01:19:32,86
thousand three right Elise ation plan which
I was around when that was happening

986
01:19:32,87 --> 01:19:39,01
and just getting it I was just curious
whether the other options suggested by.

987
01:19:41,16 --> 01:19:47,80
The PM. Were they ever
marketed also outside of. The

988
01:19:48,22 --> 01:19:51,94
harbor facilities the port
facilities itself so in other words

989
01:19:52,86 --> 01:19:56,65
a marine science facility or any of the
things had they been also marketed in the

990
01:19:56,66 --> 01:19:59,57
same sort of way yeah they
they really haven't it's it's

991
01:19:59,58 --> 01:20:04,45
a lot like the city's waterfront revitalization
program you know it had eleven high

992
01:20:04,46 --> 01:20:07,75
priority projects when it was in it was
adopted in one thousand nine hundred four

993
01:20:08,27 --> 01:20:13,14
and it really depended upon you know which
which projects could get funding which

994
01:20:13,15 --> 01:20:13,64
ones were

995
01:20:13,65 --> 01:20:17,57
a little higher profile which ones had some
interest or some land owner participation

996
01:20:17,58 --> 01:20:21,53
or something as that as to kind of this
flexible sort of implementation schedule of

997
01:20:21,54 --> 01:20:25,79
those we've done the same thing I think
on on our side the marine science and

998
01:20:25,80 --> 01:20:31,10
tourism center we have worked with the city
on that. We It kind of stalled out when

999
01:20:31,28 --> 01:20:31,63
we had

1000
01:20:31,64 --> 01:20:36,96
a master tenant for the facility in that
in that kind of fizzled and so it's been

1001
01:20:36,97 --> 01:20:41,46
a little bit on the backburner since then
but it's still it's still in the plan as

1002
01:20:41,47 --> 01:20:44,67
far as I'm concerned it's still well enough
that those are things that you know if

1003
01:20:44,68 --> 01:20:48,24
the committee thinks there that maybe we
could have had more emphasis then we can

1004
01:20:48,25 --> 01:20:53,46
certainly bring those up as up parts of
the discussion and that's kind of part of

1005
01:20:53,47 --> 01:20:57,22
what we're trying to do is that we have
that you have to have some focus in order

1006
01:20:57,23 --> 01:21:03,35
to to make progress and so that the district
has been more focused on those aspects

1007
01:21:03,39 --> 01:21:05,13
than some of these other one that was why

1008
01:21:05,14 --> 01:21:11,37
a broader question is I think. Land

1009
01:21:12,11 --> 01:21:16,37
that we should try to leave as much
background information from. That is

1010
01:21:16,38 --> 01:21:21,10
a committee to help us go forward if there's
anything that transpired other than

1011
01:21:21,21 --> 01:21:28,18
since we already know from. The marketing
side of the port where that it's kind

1012
01:21:28,19 --> 01:21:32,13
of sitting right now what that whole thing
works like as if And since we're looking

1013
01:21:32,14 --> 01:21:36,32
at other alternatives if any of those that
have been pursued in any sort of way it

1014
01:21:36,33 --> 01:21:40,33
would be great to get that informations
Thank you Mike that's helpful live in bed

1015
01:21:40,34 --> 01:21:43,67
if I could just just to finish off two
there's still to the on the fisherman's

1016
01:21:43,68 --> 01:21:44,70
terminal was of course

1017
01:21:44,71 --> 01:21:47,76
a landside fishing thing was one of
Peavey's recommendations that's the city's

1018
01:21:47,77 --> 01:21:51,57
nearly nearly done with that we've been
supporting it all on working with the city

1019
01:21:51,58 --> 01:21:56,71
on anyone who culture landside term let
some that we've worked on for twenty five

1020
01:21:56,72 --> 01:22:00,22
years and it's it's
permanent We still need

1021
01:22:00,23 --> 01:22:01,64
a master tenant for that release we got

1022
01:22:01,65 --> 01:22:05,35
a place and we have permit we have secret
document done on it so we've been making

1023
01:22:05,36 --> 01:22:09,53
progress on that to me and so it hasn't
just been the cargo aspect it's been it's

1024
01:22:09,54 --> 01:22:16,42
been pretty much across the
board and. Terminal when you

1025
01:22:16,43 --> 01:22:21,19
have the full term and all or no
but I mean you know like a we have

1026
01:22:21,23 --> 01:22:25,79
a team and or day cares to have her here
and so on when these are two very small

1027
01:22:25,80 --> 01:22:30,06
projects and some communities have been
awful culture are things and communities

1028
01:22:30,07 --> 01:22:37,02
and you know they expand so I mean that
the how in our district and we think

1029
01:22:37,07 --> 01:22:41,48
that well I think the I think the concept
was again kind of like using the city is

1030
01:22:41,49 --> 01:22:45,02
an analogy with the waterfront revitalization
plan the concept was that these would

1031
01:22:45,03 --> 01:22:47,05
be essentially cedes going to use in

1032
01:22:47,06 --> 01:22:51,25
a redevelopment model if you will these
will be where the public investment is that

1033
01:22:51,26 --> 01:22:55,04
then the private sector will say oh look
the public serious about this they've

1034
01:22:55,05 --> 01:23:00,30
cleaned up this property issue this
contamination issue this access issue whatever

1035
01:23:00,83 --> 01:23:06,15
and then they can build on that so I think
to that end the first step is is or has

1036
01:23:06,16 --> 01:23:10,65
been from the districts perspective will
see how that how this process burns out

1037
01:23:10,66 --> 01:23:15,51
but it is to actually kind of work through
that list of harm reviles ation plan

1038
01:23:15,52 --> 01:23:19,81
recommendation. Try to implement those and
then move on from those assuming that

1039
01:23:19,82 --> 01:23:26,07
those are successful. I was struck by the
veil of the industrial acreage numbers

1040
01:23:26,08 --> 01:23:32,55
that you brought out and in comparison
with other ports and the previous studies

1041
01:23:32,56 --> 01:23:37,30
that have been done the revitalization
plan that read with the plan of all

1042
01:23:37,31 --> 01:23:39,85
identified that fact is as

1043
01:23:39,86 --> 01:23:46,09
a key advantage to this port and even
though you know Item three D's been struck

1044
01:23:46,32 --> 01:23:52,51
from the agenda which which brings up that
question. It has been brought up and I'm

1045
01:23:52,52 --> 01:23:56,39
wondering if starting to chip
away at one of those core fan

1046
01:23:56,40 --> 01:24:02,16
a change that this party has would be
counterproductive. In the long run well if

1047
01:24:02,17 --> 01:24:06,75
you have surface left and there derelict
in their living and they're not deriving

1048
01:24:06,76 --> 01:24:12,68
their can only for the left home. There
was some economic. Benefit for the land

1049
01:24:12,69 --> 01:24:13,25
holders to get

1050
01:24:13,26 --> 01:24:19,07
a brownfield Grant cash and that would be
market forces in the existing industrial

1051
01:24:19,08 --> 01:24:24,09
in the remaining might be of greater value
because it was more scarce so I don't

1052
01:24:24,32 --> 01:24:30,20
think you necessarily need to maintain all
eight hundred acres. And that's really

1053
01:24:30,21 --> 01:24:30,94
the more

1054
01:24:31,40 --> 01:24:35,81
a subject of for the private community so
in other words we weren't saying we're

1055
01:24:35,82 --> 01:24:41,07
going to go you know condemn something ice
more like if there are surplus lands and

1056
01:24:41,08 --> 01:24:45,92
they are causing pollution and they are
driving economic benefit then possibly we

1057
01:24:45,93 --> 01:24:51,65
should to. Use want to make one I've
made an embarrassing mistake and David

1058
01:24:51,66 --> 01:24:57,38
Springer's the alternate for new David
David's in the back and so he's an alternate

1059
01:24:57,39 --> 01:25:02,90
for the committee and when I introduced
people I looked up so sorry for that but

1060
01:25:03,14 --> 01:25:06,81
thank you for you I guess I mean
I can I would like to dress the

1061
01:25:07,32 --> 01:25:11,07
a little bit on that yeah I think you're
right I mean it has advantages but how

1062
01:25:11,08 --> 01:25:14,78
much of the how much of that advantage do
you really need is the kind of question

1063
01:25:14,79 --> 01:25:19,67
you know in terms with you. Really need
twice the acreage of you know the Port of

1064
01:25:19,71 --> 01:25:24,20
Oakland in order to maintain an advantage
of having surplus land I would argue that

1065
01:25:24,94 --> 01:25:29,38
I could say you could make an argument
that probably not other ports have started

1066
01:25:29,39 --> 01:25:34,94
to look at conversions of some of those
waterfront and industrial lands to other

1067
01:25:34,95 --> 01:25:40,95
uses and certainly we've had landowners
around what they consider them only to be

1068
01:25:40,96 --> 01:25:44,42
told that they can't do it because it
doesn't fit necessary Sony and those are

1069
01:25:44,43 --> 01:25:46,31
things so it kind of squashes

1070
01:25:46,32 --> 01:25:53,31
a lot of what we know of potential
for whatever may be coming up. So

1071
01:25:53,32 --> 01:25:58,12
all I'm saying is that they know they're
there. There is there is potential

1072
01:25:58,75 --> 01:26:03,01
potentially potential I suppose that you
know that we do we could be looking at

1073
01:26:03,02 --> 01:26:09,41
other options but we really get kind of
like stopped right at the No Step one I do

1074
01:26:09,42 --> 01:26:14,20
know that there are enough and there have
been creative uses of course in the Penn

1075
01:26:14,21 --> 01:26:20,86
industrial land around Mobile Bay You know
to try and hopefully use what they can

1076
01:26:20,87 --> 01:26:26,78
to do what's possible but again you shouldn't
have to skirt so many things I think

1077
01:26:26,79 --> 01:26:30,20
in terms of if there's really good ideas
for economic development that people

1078
01:26:30,21 --> 01:26:35,37
really can put people to work actually
build and occupy and use land for better

1079
01:26:35,38 --> 01:26:37,12
uses which could be

1080
01:26:37,13 --> 01:26:44,18
a little more open to that is their
benchmark for the new. Coastline

1081
01:26:44,19 --> 01:26:50,69
that's available the. Necessary
acres to to preserve his

1082
01:26:50,75 --> 01:26:56,71
industrial depending on the industry. It
depends on the industry it what you're

1083
01:26:56,72 --> 01:27:00,90
talking about so it just depends
like I said we have quite

1084
01:27:00,91 --> 01:27:07,69
a bit more and then some other very
successful ports and so the question

1085
01:27:07,70 --> 01:27:11,75
will end and so I guess it's one of those
things are we limited I don't know you

1086
01:27:11,76 --> 01:27:14,79
know I have to say it's like one of
the things I've never liked about the

1087
01:27:14,80 --> 01:27:19,58
revitalization plan was the name there
I never really liked the idea of

1088
01:27:19,59 --> 01:27:21,76
revitalizing a Mulvey vitalizing

1089
01:27:21,77 --> 01:27:26,33
a movie I can go for but revitalizing
just kind of comes from this percent very

1090
01:27:26,34 --> 01:27:30,62
sort of you know rear view mirror perspective
that I never really you know they

1091
01:27:30,63 --> 01:27:37,06
could never really get you know myself
you know not maybe not having as much.

1092
01:27:39,85 --> 01:27:46,50
Investment in sort of the past. You know
the in personally you know that just never

1093
01:27:46,51 --> 01:27:51,39
really seen that is me I mean I understand
it for many of them saying I just didn't

1094
01:27:51,94 --> 01:27:57,91
I always thought of vital evasion and I
thought this. Could start moving forward in

1095
01:27:57,92 --> 01:28:04,42
that with that and that. I'd like to see
that the questions directed to Mr Lacy and

1096
01:28:04,43 --> 01:28:07,95
I'd like you know Wilson to handle
and then I'd like to move to

1097
01:28:07,96 --> 01:28:11,04
a panel with you that these guys
come out tonight so let's take

1098
01:28:11,05 --> 01:28:14,51
a couple more three questions of could
pass the mike down Dave to Greg and then

1099
01:28:14,52 --> 01:28:17,43
great person to Jack
when they're after just

1100
01:28:17,44 --> 01:28:23,85
a quick question on container barge shipping
but I know that now it obviously works

1101
01:28:23,86 --> 01:28:27,92
for us to get our fuel here by barge because
we're doing that and I and I noticed

1102
01:28:27,93 --> 01:28:31,72
that you mentioned in your conversation
that things were going to change once

1103
01:28:31,82 --> 01:28:33,41
diesel hit two dollars

1104
01:28:33,48 --> 01:28:38,35
a gallon and it obviously has done that and
it's going to continue to rise but have

1105
01:28:38,36 --> 01:28:45,27
we looked at the economic viability of
moving goods. On barge from say San

1106
01:28:45,28 --> 01:28:50,73
Francisco to here versus trucking and what
is what is that what is that threshold.

1107
01:28:55,71 --> 01:29:02,65
May thing is this working. OK the
main the main issue is it is

1108
01:29:02,66 --> 01:29:09,28
the Port of Oakland they have.
Restrictions on their container

1109
01:29:09,29 --> 01:29:11,49
ports they don't have really

1110
01:29:12,37 --> 01:29:18,80
a barge port per se so something has
to be developed at the Port of Oakland

1111
01:29:19,51 --> 01:29:25,64
in order to do those kinds of transfers
Additionally it's probably not

1112
01:29:25,65 --> 01:29:29,77
economical because there's going to have
to be some trucking done internally.

1113
01:29:31,00 --> 01:29:37,17
Having said that. If you go to another
area where you still you're going to still

1114
01:29:37,18 --> 01:29:40,39
have to do some short haul trucking there's
no way you can get around it if you can

1115
01:29:40,40 --> 01:29:45,92
use barge there's always going to be some
local trucking but if you get an area

1116
01:29:45,93 --> 01:29:50,83
where it's built up specifically for BARGE
channeling much like they do in Europe

1117
01:29:51,54 --> 01:29:52,41
then it's

1118
01:29:52,42 --> 01:29:57,35
a very viable way to move freight from
one part of the state or one part of the

1119
01:29:57,64 --> 01:30:02,29
country to another but it has to be set
up specialized and we haven't done that I

1120
01:30:02,30 --> 01:30:08,51
mean we're still. Every place else in the
world. And we still use chess' in the

1121
01:30:08,52 --> 01:30:13,84
United States that just gives you an idea
of how we have to rethink the way we're

1122
01:30:13,85 --> 01:30:18,07
doing sustainability and I think that's one
of the good things about this economic

1123
01:30:18,08 --> 01:30:22,51
downturn I was mentioning earlier is that
the economic downturn allows us to get

1124
01:30:22,52 --> 01:30:27,48
time to start rethinking the way we have
progress on goods movement and I think

1125
01:30:27,49 --> 01:30:28,83
that's kind of

1126
01:30:29,03 --> 01:30:33,12
a resting period kind of helps sometimes
when you have the movement I don't know if

1127
01:30:33,13 --> 01:30:38,41
that answers your question but at least
it gives you specific container on barge

1128
01:30:38,42 --> 01:30:43,48
has not been viable because of the
costs for him in the. Passed.

1129
01:30:46,86 --> 01:30:52,94
One. Wall. When he presented it rightly.

1130
01:30:55,73 --> 01:31:00,39
So absent the open issue is it something
that could be done and if you were going

1131
01:31:00,40 --> 01:31:05,33
to look at the bill when you look at trying
to partners with her partner who was

1132
01:31:05,34 --> 01:31:10,39
someplace else would you actually know I'm
going to I mean I should question to.

1133
01:31:12,48 --> 01:31:17,60
Answer the why thing really quickly why
you were so that you see so that's public

1134
01:31:17,65 --> 01:31:22,84
utility commission if it's rates are fixed
much like it used to be here with the

1135
01:31:22,85 --> 01:31:27,17
rear of so that'll answer their question
real quickly so that why can't be used as

1136
01:31:27,18 --> 01:31:31,63
an example unless we kind of go back to
the future. Then and I'm sorry I think

1137
01:31:31,90 --> 01:31:37,60
thank you Jacqueline please he
said but you have had recently

1138
01:31:37,61 --> 01:31:42,04
a lot of calls about interest in the port
could you characterize what what their

1139
01:31:42,35 --> 01:31:48,42
interest is that they're interested in who
they are and like well I guess I'm not

1140
01:31:48,43 --> 01:31:54,02
at liberty to say who they are but at this
point but what I'm talking about is it's

1141
01:31:54,03 --> 01:31:59,52
investment face it's investment bankers
are looking and what they're looking for

1142
01:31:59,66 --> 01:32:04,30
his real estate waterfront will real estate
because it's fairly limited on the West

1143
01:32:04,31 --> 01:32:09,34
Coast East Coast has a lot of ports
but the west coast doesn't. And

1144
01:32:09,35 --> 01:32:15,51
a question from the audience he. May have
the mike with you just make sure we're.

1145
01:32:16,66 --> 01:32:20,26
Doing something this
from. Just a follow up

1146
01:32:20,27 --> 01:32:24,45
a couple things in your presentation Wilson
you mentioned there was one slide in

1147
01:32:24,46 --> 01:32:29,95
there that mentioned that. Freshwater public
would move eleven million metric tons

1148
01:32:29,99 --> 01:32:30,51
of pulp

1149
01:32:30,70 --> 01:32:36,31
a year Bob Simpson has said publicly that
he's not going to use the port at all in

1150
01:32:36,32 --> 01:32:41,61
his operations and I guess my question
goes to more the short term vision. The

1151
01:32:41,62 --> 01:32:47,58
things that you're looking at is. Time I
seem to be ten twelve years we're looking

1152
01:32:47,59 --> 01:32:53,86
at the rest of the ports coming up to speed
before then the rail rail issue based

1153
01:32:53,87 --> 01:32:55,74
on the cleanup that needs to be done and

1154
01:32:55,75 --> 01:32:59,93
a consent decree by the. The infrastructure
work that needs to be done what are you

1155
01:32:59,94 --> 01:33:05,70
guys looking at this far short term. You
know business around the bay as far as

1156
01:33:06,11 --> 01:33:08,98
moving goods this gentleman
from me here had a you know

1157
01:33:08,99 --> 01:33:14,93
a really good question about this short
sea shipping component and I'd like to

1158
01:33:14,94 --> 01:33:20,80
maybe get an answer from Steven as well
about the viability of container on barge

1159
01:33:20,81 --> 01:33:26,41
and are there any other. Places besides
Oakland that can handle this kind of goods

1160
01:33:26,42 --> 01:33:29,38
movement and how how soon
could that be up and running.

1161
01:33:34,37 --> 01:33:40,98
But I would like to get the short term.
What I'm working on. And have been for some

1162
01:33:40,99 --> 01:33:44,26
time with this post. Is

1163
01:33:44,30 --> 01:33:50,76
a Marine Highway System from Call of
Vancouver to and Sonata and that includes

1164
01:33:50,77 --> 01:33:57,56
all of the cities in between so you could
say just all it is is matter numbers you

1165
01:33:57,57 --> 01:34:03,31
got twenty barges got ten barge five barges
so it limits the amount of capacity but

1166
01:34:03,32 --> 01:34:04,04
if you just look at

1167
01:34:04,05 --> 01:34:08,36
a ten barge scenario you could take eight
hundred fifty three footers off the road

1168
01:34:08,40 --> 01:34:10,53
every day. That's

1169
01:34:10,54 --> 01:34:14,30
a lot of trucks when you look at the border
congestion the investments that they're

1170
01:34:14,31 --> 01:34:20,17
making at the border crossings even pre-clear
all that stuff in advance so so so

1171
01:34:20,18 --> 01:34:24,35
the answer that I'm giving you is yes
container on barge could work very well

1172
01:34:25,03 --> 01:34:29,80
container on Row Row containers containers
with trailers can work very well any one

1173
01:34:29,81 --> 01:34:34,47
of those numbers that an investor wants
to invest in the difficulties will be at

1174
01:34:34,48 --> 01:34:38,99
the container ports in any of the big cities
where you're going to have to kind of

1175
01:34:39,00 --> 01:34:44,88
have your own operation separately so that
you can show stuff in and out of. The.

1176
01:34:47,38 --> 01:34:51,91
Well when you don't have the infrastructure
you don't have the railroad. When are

1177
01:34:51,92 --> 01:34:55,29
you going to start looking at some of the
other alternatives like redeveloping some

1178
01:34:55,30 --> 01:34:59,64
of the brownfields going with the shores
the shipping route when those priorities

1179
01:34:59,65 --> 01:35:03,100
but that's right that's arriving not my in
my mind to answer that's really David's

1180
01:35:04,01 --> 01:35:07,84
to answer because my mandate was primarily
to work on the redwood marine terminal

1181
01:35:08,25 --> 01:35:11,84
when I came here and for the last twenty
months that's exactly what I've been doing

1182
01:35:11,84 --> 01:35:13,81
. So

1183
01:35:13,82 --> 01:35:18,10
a short term Pete is is exactly all those
things he said you know we're not married

1184
01:35:18,11 --> 01:35:22,39
to any particular thing we've got the
revitalization plan as it is kind of guidance

1185
01:35:22,40 --> 01:35:25,90
we've got the of all this meetings we've
had like this through the strategic plan

1186
01:35:25,91 --> 01:35:30,18
that we've used as guidance the ACO
culture facilities we're working on the

1187
01:35:30,19 --> 01:35:34,69
fisherman's terminal stuff working and we're
working on the the shorts the shipping

1188
01:35:34,70 --> 01:35:38,07
with with Stephen and with
Wilson on the on the even

1189
01:35:38,08 --> 01:35:43,79
a bigger picture for that can think all
those things are short term issues but none

1190
01:35:43,80 --> 01:35:47,94
of them are going to be like tomorrow
sort of things in any of these ports that

1191
01:35:47,95 --> 01:35:51,06
Mike was talking about I mean those are the
you know those are longer term sorts of

1192
01:35:51,07 --> 01:35:57,89
things we're we're recasting the point
we're we're vitalizing the port. So it's

1193
01:35:57,90 --> 01:36:01,97
a it's not something that you know tomorrow
somebody is going to call up and say

1194
01:36:01,98 --> 01:36:05,90
Wilson I'm coming in that's what the stevedore
companies for we still have all the

1195
01:36:05,91 --> 01:36:10,87
services now so when that shows up like
the the engines for the the P.G.D.

1196
01:36:10,88 --> 01:36:16,19
Repair project things like that those
are all absolutely critical to having

1197
01:36:16,20 --> 01:36:21,24
a port to be able to do that repair our
ng of the power plant so those are what

1198
01:36:21,25 --> 01:36:24,86
we're looking to short term is is initiating
all those projects we just talked

1199
01:36:24,87 --> 01:36:30,40
about plus being aware for any of these.
Project cargo sorts of things that are

1200
01:36:30,41 --> 01:36:36,15
coming down the line as well as working
on the cruise ship stuff so you know it's

1201
01:36:36,16 --> 01:36:39,85
a long list of stuff. That we've been
working on and you've seen that before.

1202
01:36:43,35 --> 01:36:50,21
Right. And on that. Gentleman
you very different projections

1203
01:36:50,22 --> 01:36:56,72
for trade. What it says is private in your
industry perspective on current market

1204
01:36:56,73 --> 01:37:02,27
trends future prospects for shipping and
industrial development around the bay and

1205
01:37:02,27 --> 01:37:08,93
. You know I guess I guess. We
just started far in with Randy

1206
01:37:09,48 --> 01:37:14,29
and work back and that's given not more
than five minutes each if you would

1207
01:37:14,30 --> 01:37:17,89
gentleman and then. You
can kind of open up

1208
01:37:17,90 --> 01:37:22,45
a dialogue between yourselves and then
move on to the larger community and the

1209
01:37:22,46 --> 01:37:22,66
media.

1210
01:37:34,00 --> 01:37:36,91
You know what the flow to make
just for the flow over the next.

1211
01:37:43,22 --> 01:37:45,05
Day. Oh.

1212
01:37:50,50 --> 01:37:57,47
Well I mean we bought the ferryman turbo
silly With heard about this for five

1213
01:37:57,48 --> 01:38:04,45
years. About the long term
objective you know that of

1214
01:38:04,50 --> 01:38:09,75
as to what it could be or potentially
could be. In you know we've been very

1215
01:38:10,11 --> 01:38:15,48
successful over there I mean we have all
of those buildings for the most part we

1216
01:38:15,49 --> 01:38:20,68
still haven't the. Whole thing superstructure
that we're we're trying to figure out

1217
01:38:20,69 --> 01:38:27,05
what do. But there are opportunities for
that terminal in this bay and I don't

1218
01:38:27,06 --> 01:38:32,56
think right now. We should rule out
any type of shipping transfer.

1219
01:38:34,11 --> 01:38:35,39
The West Coast ports are going to be

1220
01:38:35,40 --> 01:38:41,58
a capacity and when I say pass you mean
it's not going to be because. They kicked

1221
01:38:41,59 --> 01:38:46,88
him containers but they have all kinds of
issues with real estate problems there

1222
01:38:46,89 --> 01:38:52,66
real estate there is extremely expensive
their infrastructure so constrained. They

1223
01:38:52,67 --> 01:38:58,21
don't have the rail capacity to meet some
of the growth that's why Prince Rupert

1224
01:38:58,22 --> 01:39:05,14
was born in now is doing very well
and will grow. Is doing the same.

1225
01:39:07,39 --> 01:39:13,51
May have capacity for for you know more
containers but their routes again will take

1226
01:39:13,52 --> 01:39:18,58
significant investments you know Port of
Los Angeles and Long Beach CA one billion

1227
01:39:18,59 --> 01:39:23,93
dollars because it costs them three times
as much to do anything. So I don't think

1228
01:39:23,94 --> 01:39:27,95
we should rule out you know what kind of
shipping industries can come in here you

1229
01:39:27,96 --> 01:39:32,78
know Stephen program right now I mean I've
tried to put barging packages together

1230
01:39:32,79 --> 01:39:38,84
for summer users care even. It's just not
economical right now we don't have enough

1231
01:39:39,04 --> 01:39:45,59
industrial. Users on that area
that need the raw materials

1232
01:39:45,63 --> 01:39:46,96
imported in to fill

1233
01:39:46,97 --> 01:39:53,90
a barge they can't do it. You know we
try to do some with fox farm. They ship

1234
01:39:53,91 --> 01:40:00,08
in by truck all of their you know people
to realize that they mix from Canada. You

1235
01:40:00,09 --> 01:40:01,97
know but we can't figure out

1236
01:40:01,98 --> 01:40:04,64
a way to get you know they
used five six hundred times

1237
01:40:04,65 --> 01:40:10,93
a year I think it is. You know
they take ten to thirteen trucks

1238
01:40:10,94 --> 01:40:15,64
a week but you can't put all that on one
barge and bring it down and then have them

1239
01:40:16,10 --> 01:40:19,79
eat that image Tory cost for you know sixteen
eighteen months you know to use that

1240
01:40:20,58 --> 01:40:25,37
that raw materials so there's there's
constraints and you know we've tried to you

1241
01:40:25,38 --> 01:40:29,55
know piecemeal the barge out is that
the way you're going to get something

1242
01:40:30,16 --> 01:40:36,79
a demand for that is is the you know.
A pathway so we can I mean right

1243
01:40:36,80 --> 01:40:38,13
now we've got

1244
01:40:38,14 --> 01:40:42,24
a lot of advantages I mean we have had users
look at our site they can employ over

1245
01:40:42,25 --> 01:40:48,08
two hundred fifty people. The investment
in in those sites would be between fifty

1246
01:40:48,09 --> 01:40:52,66
to one hundred million dollars but those
are long term you know deals and they

1247
01:40:52,67 --> 01:40:59,52
don't come together quickly.
You know it's it's. It's

1248
01:40:59,53 --> 01:41:01,09
got to become more of

1249
01:41:01,10 --> 01:41:05,68
a business friendly environment where we're
willing to consider you know what it

1250
01:41:05,69 --> 01:41:12,15
can be we need to look at ways to you
know somehow streamline our permits.

1251
01:41:13,44 --> 01:41:16,61
You know we're looking you know at eight
hundred twenty four most just to get

1252
01:41:16,84 --> 01:41:20,14
a secret document. And
just went through about

1253
01:41:20,19 --> 01:41:27,07
a hundred page one to four years. You
know so if we can somehow figure

1254
01:41:27,08 --> 01:41:31,36
out how we can get some at least baseline
models for transportation infrastructure

1255
01:41:31,36 --> 01:41:34,57
. You know least we have
a head start you know

1256
01:41:34,58 --> 01:41:38,80
a user can you know send their consults and
here's here's the baselines is what we

1257
01:41:38,81 --> 01:41:43,24
know about biological you know conditions
in the big you know this is what we know

1258
01:41:43,25 --> 01:41:49,18
about you know how the oyster industry
could be affected you know because the

1259
01:41:49,19 --> 01:41:51,69
industrial water for this what this is not

1260
01:41:51,70 --> 01:41:53,98
a significant portion
of it but it can employ

1261
01:41:53,99 --> 01:41:59,99
a significant portion of our
community and. We need to get on

1262
01:42:00,35 --> 01:42:06,06
a path to figure out how to streamline
those issues. Another thing that we have

1263
01:42:06,07 --> 01:42:11,71
this is is abundant real estate I mean
it's in it's cheap for industrial and it's

1264
01:42:11,72 --> 01:42:15,71
underutilized in the lap of you know it
needs private investment and we've got

1265
01:42:15,72 --> 01:42:20,81
a welcome as Mr Taylor and. You know.

1266
01:42:22,22 --> 01:42:28,12
Unfortunately in the past I haven't seen
that that mindset you know we we seem to

1267
01:42:28,13 --> 01:42:34,37
be. Fighting against each other more than
working together to get the him. Smith

1268
01:42:34,38 --> 01:42:35,24
There will be there clean

1269
01:42:35,25 --> 01:42:41,52
a purpose. You know I mean currently
you know the redwood turtle

1270
01:42:42,35 --> 01:42:45,53
it's not doing anything to you
know create a better you know by

1271
01:42:45,54 --> 01:42:48,56
a little condition of our day
it's only an end of the day.

1272
01:42:52,00 --> 01:42:57,07
Unfortunately you know I am going to say
you know the public sector does takes

1273
01:42:57,08 --> 01:43:01,80
twice as long and spends three times as
much to get it done so if we can create an

1274
01:43:01,81 --> 01:43:05,65
environment where you want to stimulate
private investment and get encourage us to

1275
01:43:05,66 --> 01:43:11,08
come here we well in that they will have
had several users they want to do it.

1276
01:43:13,55 --> 01:43:18,23
But we are also looking at you know they
are the disadvantage which is obviously

1277
01:43:18,79 --> 01:43:24,03
the permanent structure us California
is the difficult difficult environment

1278
01:43:24,04 --> 01:43:28,50
structure in create jobs and that's
why we're seeing some of the economic

1279
01:43:28,51 --> 01:43:33,70
conditions we're in right now.
It's all true only when I think.

1280
01:43:36,26 --> 01:43:42,86
I've been down field landing since
September of eighty six seen the. You know

1281
01:43:42,87 --> 01:43:49,11
couple three cycles gone through here.
When I started down there we had export

1282
01:43:49,12 --> 01:43:55,34
industry which was thriving you're
exploring log to Japan Korea China.

1283
01:43:58,45 --> 01:44:04,50
It was really you know the boom. And
unfortunately like everything else every

1284
01:44:04,51 --> 01:44:06,93
thought every cycle has
a tie and flows we had

1285
01:44:06,94 --> 01:44:13,81
a. Have these bar outlets in the early
ninety's and that literally overnight took

1286
01:44:13,98 --> 01:44:19,20
the export industry out of Humboldt County
and he took it out of California please

1287
01:44:20,17 --> 01:44:27,06
we are our our lot supply was the
first private Timberland it was not

1288
01:44:27,07 --> 01:44:33,63
from the four service and the Japanese very
quickly went South America and moved in

1289
01:44:33,64 --> 01:44:39,18
down there and they're very happy down
there right now recently in as far as the

1290
01:44:39,19 --> 01:44:44,96
spring we've had interest. In our local
species are both the dogs for Redwood

1291
01:44:45,55 --> 01:44:52,12
Express. Unfortunately though world
economic situation kind of dampened their

1292
01:44:52,13 --> 01:44:57,44
spirits and back off right now but I think
that's one thing that we really have

1293
01:44:57,45 --> 01:45:02,18
here is our natural resources our Kember
our Kember obviously is the obvious one

1294
01:45:02,80 --> 01:45:09,53
we've had. Several different exports cycles
since I moved it moved in field landing

1295
01:45:09,54 --> 01:45:16,42
in eighty six and we were you know
we we had like the first year I

1296
01:45:16,43 --> 01:45:22,10
was down there I think we held from thirty
seven million feet of logs out down the

1297
01:45:22,11 --> 01:45:25,91
yard itself handled over fifty million who
we were you we were used in the yard of

1298
01:45:25,92 --> 01:45:29,71
the sorting station it was sort of
logs Some went out for some went to

1299
01:45:29,72 --> 01:45:36,61
a local mill. And and I think that's want
one avenue that has been very quiet for

1300
01:45:36,62 --> 01:45:40,42
a number of years but I do see interest
coming back now and it's kind of surprising

1301
01:45:41,03 --> 01:45:43,82
to see it but I'm glad to
see it because it could put

1302
01:45:43,83 --> 01:45:49,26
a lot of people back to work that I know
of it the first time when I first took the

1303
01:45:49,27 --> 01:45:54,55
art over down there the art empty in the
first year we brought it back for. Well

1304
01:45:54,56 --> 01:45:57,83
into the you know fifteen million feet the
handling in the yard thirty million over

1305
01:45:57,84 --> 01:46:03,85
the dog and it was you know very evident
that there's an interest in even though

1306
01:46:03,86 --> 01:46:10,30
they all did take one of our sales in the
early ninety's. Their injuries interest

1307
01:46:10,31 --> 01:46:14,71
now in the late ninety's
we came back and all of

1308
01:46:14,72 --> 01:46:20,16
a sudden we were importing laws which were
very ironic and stuff we were importing

1309
01:46:20,17 --> 01:46:21,77
logs from New Zealand who's

1310
01:46:21,78 --> 01:46:25,72
a Ponderosa pine the New Zealand
they refer to it by as Radiohead

1311
01:46:25,73 --> 01:46:31,04
a Riyadh upon. That was doing very
well for a while and then we had

1312
01:46:31,05 --> 01:46:37,23
a issue it brought up by.
Epic that these logs were

1313
01:46:37,24 --> 01:46:41,74
contaminated with percentage and and
say at least that took the wind out of

1314
01:46:41,75 --> 01:46:48,33
everything real quickly again after. About
forty days we proved that it was all

1315
01:46:48,86 --> 01:46:54,25
scare tactics unfortunately
when you yell fire so

1316
01:46:54,26 --> 01:47:00,08
a lot of times people nowadays run and
Larry wiped out that whole project and

1317
01:47:00,14 --> 01:47:04,60
probably one of the reasons that we lost
four sawmill here in the county because

1318
01:47:04,61 --> 01:47:09,91
that was one of their big big items that
they're working I was creating another you

1319
01:47:09,92 --> 01:47:10,80
know Mark avoid

1320
01:47:10,81 --> 01:47:17,50
a special find. So but. Our
business has over the years

1321
01:47:17,51 --> 01:47:21,25
we've handled you know three different
things going on almost going humorous when I

1322
01:47:21,26 --> 01:47:25,11
look back at it we we
tried cruise ships for

1323
01:47:25,12 --> 01:47:29,34
a while and see there's interest in crew
ships again I learned one thing about

1324
01:47:29,41 --> 01:47:33,62
cruise ships and I spent two years down in
Florida trying to bring the cruise ships

1325
01:47:33,63 --> 01:47:39,63
in here. First thing is that cruise ships
don't want to pay to come here Don Walker

1326
01:47:39,64 --> 01:47:46,52
dock owner you want to be paid for your
services. And and first and we found

1327
01:47:46,53 --> 01:47:48,56
out as well what you do as

1328
01:47:48,57 --> 01:47:54,05
a doctor and you got charge everybody else
coming through the gate to use you you

1329
01:47:54,06 --> 01:47:54,85
know it's got

1330
01:47:54,86 --> 01:48:01,31
a. Bus Cummins could take people to the
other giants charge them well to make

1331
01:48:01,32 --> 01:48:05,94
a long story short that became very new
didn't become feasible because first of all

1332
01:48:05,95 --> 01:48:10,87
ships didn't become waiting if we had I
think we have what three ships. And so I

1333
01:48:10,88 --> 01:48:13,98
mean that was you know was
and then the other thing was

1334
01:48:14,84 --> 01:48:19,04
a sin called an insurance company I
remember when I called my insurance company

1335
01:48:19,05 --> 01:48:25,20
level know that we were looking at cruise
ships. Literally two days later I had an

1336
01:48:25,21 --> 01:48:31,27
insurance agent who was in Sacramento
and an underwriter from New York or

1337
01:48:31,50 --> 01:48:34,58
Philadelphia in my office and all of

1338
01:48:34,59 --> 01:48:38,70
a sudden I realized I didn't want to
push it because first of all they wanted

1339
01:48:38,71 --> 01:48:44,88
a piece they wanted everything solid
concrete they wanted all kinds Inc has the

1340
01:48:44,89 --> 01:48:51,81
Harvey and now it's no use even because
in here again I'm not getting paid for it

1341
01:48:51,85 --> 01:48:56,59
I have to provide it but yeah go away
get money by standing for me with

1342
01:48:56,60 --> 01:48:57,47
a chip with

1343
01:48:57,48 --> 01:49:01,91
a change box at the front gate charge or
body in and out of anywhere we tried that

1344
01:49:01,91 --> 01:49:07,07
. We've handled several little
projects we had one where we had

1345
01:49:07,08 --> 01:49:13,95
a computerized potato chip.
That went to Argentina and

1346
01:49:14,28 --> 01:49:20,19
we had the cargo with brought in from. We
had some some from Canada some from some

1347
01:49:20,20 --> 01:49:24,91
stuff from California we had stuff from.
Back in the northeast that was trucked out

1348
01:49:24,92 --> 01:49:29,96
here and everything and we cumulate it
for three months and then loaded on

1349
01:49:29,97 --> 01:49:32,20
a ship in a couple days
very interesting we had

1350
01:49:32,21 --> 01:49:36,72
a second ship booked back into the same
thing second year but unfortunately no

1351
01:49:36,73 --> 01:49:40,89
ships in our area that would could handle
it so when it came when I got to Houston

1352
01:49:40,93 --> 01:49:45,45
that someplace but anyway. We tried X.

1353
01:49:45,46 --> 01:49:51,22
We we did chips for two years ship ships
up the coast and actually look at one

1354
01:49:51,32 --> 01:49:57,20
shipping load overseas here again the
market softened and so that's gone away now

1355
01:49:57,79 --> 01:50:03,97
but as far as the future of humble Bay
And as far as business is far as I'm

1356
01:50:03,98 --> 01:50:08,05
concerned it's here we've got more
opportunities you can pick stick at there are

1357
01:50:08,06 --> 01:50:09,95
a lot of roadblocks but there are

1358
01:50:09,96 --> 01:50:14,61
a lot of opportunities I mean even even
with this climate we have right now which

1359
01:50:14,62 --> 01:50:19,70
is you know centrally you know almost
dead but the point is as we mentioned you

1360
01:50:19,71 --> 01:50:23,29
know you need to take a breather
every so often. And so we're getting

1361
01:50:23,30 --> 01:50:25,30
a chance to take a breather take

1362
01:50:25,31 --> 01:50:29,72
a look at things through different
star glasses I see like I said

1363
01:50:29,98 --> 01:50:33,11
a lot of opportunities I mean I'm not
going to go into detail on the go beyond

1364
01:50:33,12 --> 01:50:39,27
survive for you to death how the thing we
look at but the thing is is that you know

1365
01:50:39,85 --> 01:50:40,85
we had a good we had

1366
01:50:40,86 --> 01:50:46,94
a real good run of that with the importing
logs of the ten years of work. And

1367
01:50:47,62 --> 01:50:52,20
unfortunately you know with the being
tied to more or less the lumber timber

1368
01:50:52,21 --> 01:50:53,58
industry of it we've taken

1369
01:50:53,59 --> 01:50:58,27
a downturn in that but at the same time I
looked at Alcoa culture we looked into

1370
01:50:58,28 --> 01:51:03,71
a putting in an abalone
farm down there and got

1371
01:51:04,14 --> 01:51:09,33
a lot of work on it and unfortunately to
do the downturn in economics in general it

1372
01:51:09,34 --> 01:51:13,16
stop. If we were really one we're really
getting down to the nitty gritty and

1373
01:51:13,17 --> 01:51:18,36
turned to look at putting some funding
together do that but I'm going to say

1374
01:51:18,37 --> 01:51:23,62
wouldn't happen here in the future of one
of the one of the and I use the word

1375
01:51:23,63 --> 01:51:29,23
roadblock because in
that we have if you have

1376
01:51:29,24 --> 01:51:31,17
a problem if you have something
where you have to build

1377
01:51:31,18 --> 01:51:33,58
a repair or something in our case we have

1378
01:51:33,59 --> 01:51:39,22
a dike that failed was down there so I
merely came to the harbor district and I

1379
01:51:39,23 --> 01:51:43,09
said OK here's my situation you fix stuff
OK we'll do you know here's what you got

1380
01:51:43,10 --> 01:51:48,94
to do the first thing you've got the harbor
district asked to step in they are not

1381
01:51:48,95 --> 01:51:49,17
even

1382
01:51:49,18 --> 01:51:54,25
a bump in the road there's anything there
they give they give you some support where

1383
01:51:54,26 --> 01:51:59,06
they go you have the California coast
commission that you're going to deal with and

1384
01:51:59,07 --> 01:52:03,25
I'll tell you something I have never
ever had to deal with somebody some

1385
01:52:03,31 --> 01:52:08,41
organization that has one gold stocks they
don't care what they have to do but they

1386
01:52:08,42 --> 01:52:13,02
will say it will try to which side. The
Army Corps there aren't too much of

1387
01:52:13,03 --> 01:52:16,35
a problem I mean they have they have some
dinner interesting perspectives on things

1388
01:52:16,36 --> 01:52:18,19
but usually it's

1389
01:52:18,20 --> 01:52:24,96
a matter of giving in the knowledge or more
information. Cal point partition game.

1390
01:52:26,62 --> 01:52:32,84
They can be helpful but here again if you
if you don't approach in the right way

1391
01:52:32,85 --> 01:52:35,39
you'll you'll have a robot
there and then U.S.

1392
01:52:35,40 --> 01:52:39,50
Fish and Wildlife Service which I'll be
off with I was shocked at their whole

1393
01:52:39,51 --> 01:52:44,12
attitude they just I mean you know they
they they were very negative by that but

1394
01:52:44,73 --> 01:52:49,16
quite what I found very interesting and
true Harbor commissioners about this is

1395
01:52:49,17 --> 01:52:55,38
these groups were very carefully behind the
scenes and I literally can show you the

1396
01:52:55,54 --> 01:52:57,40
dates where one would have

1397
01:52:57,41 --> 01:53:03,36
a permit the permit would expire let's say
for example on the fifth of March. Now

1398
01:53:03,80 --> 01:53:07,93
you needed your other permits in place
before that permit expired or they were any

1399
01:53:07,94 --> 01:53:10,16
good and I'll be a son of
a gun if you couldn't get

1400
01:53:10,17 --> 01:53:15,67
a permit till the seventh of March for
the next one we had to look we have that

1401
01:53:15,68 --> 01:53:17,08
several times and then we went to

1402
01:53:17,09 --> 01:53:21,15
a meeting one time right over cross
way here and David actually had

1403
01:53:21,20 --> 01:53:24,15
a referee there. We went into

1404
01:53:24,16 --> 01:53:29,86
a meeting and the foreman Fish and Game
decided that the property that was flooded

1405
01:53:29,87 --> 01:53:36,82
to the dock Philly was now prime habitat.
Or salt marsh so that I was going to have

1406
01:53:36,83 --> 01:53:43,54
to come up with mitigation land to
put my dock back. And due to their.

1407
01:53:45,01 --> 01:53:50,46
Good timing we spent six weeks
afterwards trying to come up

1408
01:53:50,47 --> 01:53:55,25
a verse Aleutian and there was no resolution
but the minute my Army Corps permit

1409
01:53:55,26 --> 01:53:56,31
expired I got

1410
01:53:56,32 --> 01:54:00,72
a nice letter saying Mr Murphy you were
right there is no mitigation necessary for

1411
01:54:00,73 --> 01:54:01,94
this but once

1412
01:54:01,95 --> 01:54:08,66
a permits expired you were back in trouble
so anyway. That you know those are the

1413
01:54:08,67 --> 01:54:14,42
interesting things that you have when it
comes to the redwood dock I am against it

1414
01:54:15,05 --> 01:54:20,37
and I will tell you it is just plain as
night as in those in my face here this

1415
01:54:20,38 --> 01:54:27,08
three of us here that often are docs are
not buried with full cargo we right now

1416
01:54:27,13 --> 01:54:33,49
are all sitting empty but even when the
economy is great we are not overbooked. And

1417
01:54:33,50 --> 01:54:37,35
the thing is when the harbor district
talked about you know what we're going to

1418
01:54:37,62 --> 01:54:37,85
make

1419
01:54:37,86 --> 01:54:42,25
a dock for cruise ships for whatever they're
going to containers where I can help

1420
01:54:42,26 --> 01:54:48,90
contain I've handled. You know want to ships
I would have to say I'm not interested

1421
01:54:48,91 --> 01:54:55,58
in your culture. But I'll be honest
with you. The harbor district

1422
01:54:55,88 --> 01:54:59,00
should not be competing with
private industry and when they own

1423
01:54:59,01 --> 01:55:03,98
a dock and are talking about operating at
complete competition there is no way on

1424
01:55:03,99 --> 01:55:09,06
the faces or in this community that the
private Octavio can to keep the Harvester

1425
01:55:09,07 --> 01:55:14,75
with public school. Which is absolutely
why it would be like somebody going and

1426
01:55:14,76 --> 01:55:19,30
building a highway next to one
on one and making it in making

1427
01:55:19,31 --> 01:55:20,69
a private highway how to make

1428
01:55:20,70 --> 01:55:27,44
a toll road the people.
You'd be dead meat. So that

1429
01:55:27,45 --> 01:55:27,83
is

1430
01:55:28,50 --> 01:55:35,88
a troll leave it really thank you. Thank

1431
01:55:35,90 --> 01:55:37,90
you hum. Let me tell you

1432
01:55:37,91 --> 01:55:41,41
a little bit about Pacific affiliates and
how we were formed to begin with how I

1433
01:55:41,42 --> 01:55:47,40
came about this stock that I have down there
now. In one nine hundred seventy nine

1434
01:55:47,58 --> 01:55:51,24
we formed Pacific and Philip were basically
consulting Civil Engineers and we did

1435
01:55:51,25 --> 01:55:57,56
a lot of marine work on the bay that was
actually our port. And. Short We did

1436
01:55:57,57 --> 01:56:01,02
a lot higher graphics surveys and we were
knowledgeable of them things like that so

1437
01:56:01,02 --> 01:56:07,13
. About four or eight years after we started
four guys were around on the bay who

1438
01:56:07,14 --> 01:56:11,82
were members of the co-op will go co-op
here and the oil companies contacted us and

1439
01:56:11,83 --> 01:56:15,14
said Would you be willing to be our
oil spill response contractor on

1440
01:56:15,15 --> 01:56:19,34
a more base Mr knowledgeable and we will
sell all of our equipment and everything

1441
01:56:19,35 --> 01:56:22,97
to you you become a contractor we
agreed to that so if we were having

1442
01:56:22,98 --> 01:56:25,27
a boat at that time built in Seattle

1443
01:56:25,61 --> 01:56:29,24
a class one hundred of every survey
boat we modified a little and all of

1444
01:56:29,25 --> 01:56:35,59
a sudden we were well spill response
contacted. Shortly thereafter the Exxon

1445
01:56:35,60 --> 01:56:38,90
Valdez happened and as
you all know there was

1446
01:56:38,91 --> 01:56:44,44
a big influence on oil spill response we
realized we had to move our facility to

1447
01:56:44,45 --> 01:56:51,41
Humboldt bag and. With that we
bought all of whose Tempus of his

1448
01:56:51,42 --> 01:56:55,29
holdings on the west side of
the bay which included dock

1449
01:56:55,30 --> 01:57:01,23
a in the plan property. From there we've
we developed an oil spill response

1450
01:57:01,24 --> 01:57:07,04
facility as well as acquired additional
land there. In one thousand and that

1451
01:57:07,05 --> 01:57:13,58
happened in Amman nine hundred eighty
eight. Shortly thereafter that the

1452
01:57:13,59 --> 01:57:17,29
consensus of the public around him
what they had was that if we had

1453
01:57:17,30 --> 01:57:19,43
a dock here if you build

1454
01:57:19,44 --> 01:57:24,78
a dock they will come and I think you can
all remember that saying that if you

1455
01:57:24,79 --> 01:57:29,77
build it they will come. So we
have started to undertake building

1456
01:57:29,92 --> 01:57:36,20
a class one dog on will back off concrete
concrete supported and we rebuilt dock

1457
01:57:36,21 --> 01:57:40,76
a it's. Just short of four hundred feet
deep draft right in the front of it as

1458
01:57:40,77 --> 01:57:45,34
a concrete access to it and it
will take a heck of a load as

1459
01:57:45,35 --> 01:57:49,03
a matter of fact when they rebuilt
the bridges here they had

1460
01:57:49,04 --> 01:57:54,39
a manic walk forty two hundred crane that
they wanted to walk off of the barge onto

1461
01:57:54,40 --> 01:58:00,99
shore without taking it apart that crane
weighed three hundred tons. They walked

1462
01:58:01,00 --> 01:58:07,05
from the barge across star dock and to
shore OK that just attests to the strength

1463
01:58:07,06 --> 01:58:11,84
of all of the dock. So anyway we
spent five to ten million dollars on

1464
01:58:11,85 --> 01:58:18,80
a facility and that was back in the
mid ninety's OK we built our up

1465
01:58:18,81 --> 01:58:25,00
land paved our yard. Built a of
a large graving area there was

1466
01:58:25,01 --> 01:58:31,60
a launch launch facility. We built it and

1467
01:58:32,43 --> 01:58:39,07
we're still waiting for me
to come. In the last ten

1468
01:58:39,08 --> 01:58:43,73
years. I doubt that we've
had two or three ships

1469
01:58:43,74 --> 01:58:50,17
a year our facility. We get the Army Corps
dreads we get some research vessels we

1470
01:58:50,18 --> 01:58:54,77
have unloaded some chips we vomited some
long but I'm really reluctant to get into

1471
01:58:54,78 --> 01:59:00,46
those sort of thing because you know would
he do it. On the worst Broxton doing

1472
01:59:00,47 --> 01:59:04,70
chips of other people doing those things
I'm just kind of reluctant to compete with

1473
01:59:05,12 --> 01:59:10,05
with those guys for those sort of products.
It's not as though we haven't looked

1474
01:59:11,00 --> 01:59:17,86
we've been looking for users ever
since we both are. It's been

1475
01:59:18,59 --> 01:59:22,91
basically a loser. You spend
that much money you want to get

1476
01:59:22,92 --> 01:59:28,41
a return on your investment. But it hasn't
happened yet so we're continuing to look

1477
01:59:29,35 --> 01:59:34,73
at one point actually it
would be less quest for.

1478
01:59:35,75 --> 01:59:42,13
Myself city Reka formed a group called
from will see tree and we've started

1479
01:59:42,14 --> 01:59:47,75
a marketing group that what we try
to market humble day in and get.

1480
01:59:48,95 --> 01:59:54,99
Cargo in and that went on for about five
years so I can appreciate your tacit you

1481
01:59:55,00 --> 02:00:01,61
have this fourth market it was
difficult. You know the trade is is not

1482
02:00:01,62 --> 02:00:07,61
a big window. Water dependent or
coast of the planet industrial is

1483
02:00:07,62 --> 02:00:14,42
a very small window. OK
of cargo in users. That

1484
02:00:14,43 --> 02:00:20,89
window is very very very small
when you consider or political

1485
02:00:20,90 --> 02:00:27,48
makeup or you know or constituency it's
very small as to what we can do what's

1486
02:00:27,49 --> 02:00:34,41
acceptable to this area and do so.
With him with him from friend Frank

1487
02:00:34,42 --> 02:00:41,22
Ergo it's not an easy task. We're.
We're continuing to look will

1488
02:00:41,26 --> 02:00:46,00
always continue to look we're paying rent
on that that land down of that docks on

1489
02:00:46,32 --> 02:00:53,02
we got to check on investment there. We'd
like to use it. Even if we didn't use it

1490
02:00:53,03 --> 02:00:57,40
you gotta understand docs are losers.
It every one of these guys have got

1491
02:00:57,41 --> 02:01:00,95
a loser on or. Because you use

1492
02:01:00,96 --> 02:01:06,96
a doctor less than five percent of the time
OK if even if you had one hundred acres

1493
02:01:07,44 --> 02:01:08,20
you know or

1494
02:01:08,24 --> 02:01:14,90
a thousand you would get your doc utility
is very minimal OK to support all and you

1495
02:01:14,91 --> 02:01:20,35
need for a plan and it's a heck of an
expense people don't realize how much

1496
02:01:20,36 --> 02:01:24,07
a doc cost to get a five million dollar
crane and somebody wanted to use a for

1497
02:01:24,08 --> 02:01:29,01
a couple days what do you think they'd
charge for. You know as much as what he has

1498
02:01:29,02 --> 02:01:33,10
in his dock in the crucial points accountable
for just let it use the use of free

1499
02:01:33,63 --> 02:01:33,96
oil as

1500
02:01:33,97 --> 02:01:39,18
a five million dollar crane believe me
they wouldn't use the free and those docs

1501
02:01:39,19 --> 02:01:41,31
are expensive there are
plenty to upkeep there

1502
02:01:41,32 --> 02:01:46,25
a dynamic process but you can always cut
the ocean beat them on their end of the

1503
02:01:46,39 --> 02:01:49,41
area were. They don't have

1504
02:01:49,42 --> 02:01:54,24
a long life so they're just not to you're
not going to make money on your dog you

1505
02:01:54,25 --> 02:01:59,27
make money on your own. Here doc
is just there your doc is just

1506
02:01:59,28 --> 02:02:01,78
a method of getting from
the ocean here up with

1507
02:02:02,06 --> 02:02:07,79
a small but it's an
expensive method but. As

1508
02:02:07,80 --> 02:02:13,47
a recent We've. Stephen I'm going to
lead in the steam heat with H.T.M.L.

1509
02:02:13,97 --> 02:02:14,88
We've been working with

1510
02:02:14,89 --> 02:02:21,20
a broker for the shore see shipping
trying to do something there. That

1511
02:02:21,63 --> 02:02:28,59
we we started it when times were good and
now we're. We're moving on but funds

1512
02:02:28,60 --> 02:02:32,07
are not good right to own
them so shipping is a is

1513
02:02:32,08 --> 02:02:38,01
a difficult thing to to move into but
we're continuing to try and develop it we

1514
02:02:38,02 --> 02:02:42,78
have the infrastructure there we have
the dark that will occur the Haleigh

1515
02:02:42,79 --> 02:02:49,62
containers it's got the draft it's got the
yard we have all everything we need we

1516
02:02:49,63 --> 02:02:55,64
just need to put equipment on there to to
do it so Stephen I want you to go. From

1517
02:02:55,65 --> 02:03:01,32
there. Michael. Kay.

1518
02:03:04,93 --> 02:03:10,39
If I talk like this can people hear me
pretty well all right great. I'll just kind

1519
02:03:10,40 --> 02:03:14,39
of jump right in for the Mountain time
that we have left and I for shits

1520
02:03:14,40 --> 02:03:17,01
opportunity. And I wrote

1521
02:03:17,02 --> 02:03:22,24
a list of some key points to address the
people that either asked in the past or or

1522
02:03:22,25 --> 02:03:26,90
that sort of raise an eyebrow for me. But
start off with this first slide I've got

1523
02:03:26,91 --> 02:03:30,88
about five slides I'll try to run through
them really quickly and then get into

1524
02:03:30,89 --> 02:03:36,19
a bit more verbal detail and hopefully
some feedback from you folks as well. You

1525
02:03:36,20 --> 02:03:40,78
know a lot of talk has been we've heard
a lot talk to me about humble Bay as

1526
02:03:40,79 --> 02:03:47,67
a. Port and it certainly is however. You

1527
02:03:47,68 --> 02:03:52,49
know one of the my primary focus is on
sources shipping the Marine Highway and this

1528
02:03:52,50 --> 02:03:59,02
port in that sort of. More regional focus
and then I can talk about some financial

1529
02:03:59,03 --> 02:04:05,07
dovetails also with international but for
the primary focus I designed this slide

1530
02:04:05,08 --> 02:04:11,38
to kind of relate our our vision
of what we feel. This day isn't

1531
02:04:11,39 --> 02:04:14,47
a herd's to this community so it's

1532
02:04:14,48 --> 02:04:19,06
a mechanism for local shippers there's
no doubt in local shippers our local

1533
02:04:19,07 --> 02:04:23,18
businesses are exporters and our importers
and those folks who make create and

1534
02:04:23,19 --> 02:04:24,56
there's we have a lot of them around here

1535
02:04:24,57 --> 02:04:30,88
a lot and it's business and and industrial
and wood products business as well. But

1536
02:04:30,89 --> 02:04:32,73
basically you know you have
three components you have

1537
02:04:32,74 --> 02:04:37,00
a job to do you have tools and you have
your tool belt in which to do the wind so

1538
02:04:37,01 --> 02:04:38,60
we see sort of the job as

1539
02:04:38,61 --> 02:04:43,46
a regional port to enable access to
international markets which we've talked

1540
02:04:43,47 --> 02:04:49,21
a lot about this evening and enable access
to domestic markets. See the states of

1541
02:04:49,22 --> 02:04:53,53
red and the sort of the tools that has
been mentioned already your transportation

1542
02:04:53,91 --> 02:04:58,01
mechanism whether it's barging or shifting
the other tools in your belt would be

1543
02:04:58,02 --> 02:05:03,75
the pilot stevedoring services customs.
Services these are the types of things

1544
02:05:03,76 --> 02:05:08,52
needed to be able to do that kind of work
in the toolbelt basically what holds all

1545
02:05:08,53 --> 02:05:12,60
this together is your infrastructure
that you have in the maintenance of that

1546
02:05:12,61 --> 02:05:16,48
infrastructure that includes the talks and
equipment that you have or don't have in

1547
02:05:16,49 --> 02:05:21,63
dredging in order to maintain these types
of services and then of Port Authority

1548
02:05:21,67 --> 02:05:22,89
sort of like what we have

1549
02:05:23,35 --> 02:05:28,54
a harbor district offer some ports and the
and hopefully some economic development

1550
02:05:28,74 --> 02:05:32,77
like we're doing this evening in some
regional networking like Wilson has been

1551
02:05:32,78 --> 02:05:39,57
doing. So I guess if I
go. OK So we're hopeful

1552
02:05:39,58 --> 02:05:41,64
maritime logistics and we're developing

1553
02:05:41,65 --> 02:05:45,78
a West Coast innermost source the shipping
container on board consolidated freight

1554
02:05:45,79 --> 02:05:46,41
service that's

1555
02:05:46,42 --> 02:05:50,42
a mouthful but it's really important
is the consolidated shipper part which

1556
02:05:50,43 --> 02:05:54,59
basically means well when you think about
typical barging that we've historically

1557
02:05:54,60 --> 02:05:59,39
done here in the bay you think about one
commodity on the barge for one chip or

1558
02:05:59,70 --> 02:06:06,40
logs with chips on the or. Even fuel
kind of sort of fall under that

1559
02:06:07,04 --> 02:06:11,73
consolidated shippers basically taken out
by. It's capacity in dividing it up tween

1560
02:06:11,74 --> 02:06:15,17
a whole bunch of different ship or whether
you're shipping bags oil I thought forms

1561
02:06:15,70 --> 02:06:22,00
or you were shipping you know wood products
or you're shipping. You know domestic

1562
02:06:22,01 --> 02:06:26,16
wholesale goods or even Culver coming in
here to lay down on the roads or if you're

1563
02:06:26,16 --> 02:06:32,24
. Like manufacturing all kinds of different
products that we create here could be

1564
02:06:32,25 --> 02:06:37,45
a political two consolidated should pursue
an area of three using containers flat

1565
02:06:37,46 --> 02:06:41,98
rocks and open tops I'll talk little bit
more about what those are but we see it as

1566
02:06:41,99 --> 02:06:45,89
a sustainable shipping solution via water
born free transportation cheaper and

1567
02:06:45,90 --> 02:06:51,74
greener freight and we call it cheaper and
greener because. If we're successful in

1568
02:06:51,75 --> 02:06:54,75
implementing this move confident that
at the time that we do that it will be

1569
02:06:54,76 --> 02:07:00,33
cheaper and that has to do with fuel prices
and our whole bit more about that and

1570
02:07:00,34 --> 02:07:05,02
greener because. Our service as we've
designed it consists of two independent

1571
02:07:05,03 --> 02:07:08,88
barging programs that say three point
four million gallons of fuel consumed

1572
02:07:08,89 --> 02:07:13,37
a year if you compare that to a long
haul truck here in fact I do have

1573
02:07:13,38 --> 02:07:18,61
a list of some literature that I could
pass around I didn't bring enough so I

1574
02:07:18,62 --> 02:07:23,02
didn't realize there be so many
people. Which I'm happy but this is

1575
02:07:23,03 --> 02:07:24,94
a snapshot of what it looks
like so there you have

1576
02:07:25,42 --> 02:07:28,62
a barge for us here in the
humble Bay you know you have

1577
02:07:28,63 --> 02:07:33,53
a typical container barge they want
to be would implement would it look

1578
02:07:33,54 --> 02:07:37,74
a little bit different than that but that's
for the most part where looks like the

1579
02:07:37,75 --> 02:07:39,67
larger crane as Wilson It showed earlier

1580
02:07:40,07 --> 02:07:45,88
a container handler or two on the bottom
left and this is really familiar with what

1581
02:07:45,89 --> 02:07:51,59
we wouldn't implement right there at
Dave's facility at the Washington Street

1582
02:07:51,60 --> 02:07:55,80
they're not really big He's got
about five acres that we have

1583
02:07:55,81 --> 02:08:02,33
a. We have a plan a scenario

1584
02:08:02,34 --> 02:08:07,91
a can think of the one I'm looking for.
For about six hundred containers that we

1585
02:08:07,92 --> 02:08:14,48
can weave there in the left and you're
you're. His talk. You know we talk about

1586
02:08:14,49 --> 02:08:21,38
infrastructure. His talk is barely big
enough but certainly strong enough and that

1587
02:08:21,39 --> 02:08:26,35
is about the only dock on the bay that we
have right now that we work with this is

1588
02:08:26,47 --> 02:08:28,48
the scenario as we've designed it using

1589
02:08:28,49 --> 02:08:35,28
a mobile Harbor crane to our to the knowledge
that we have right now. Because the

1590
02:08:35,32 --> 02:08:41,36
crane weighs about three to four hundred.
Times what some of the way he's had on

1591
02:08:41,37 --> 02:08:48,25
his time in the past. So you know what
it was why why it was short shipping

1592
02:08:48,26 --> 02:08:52,13
why why is it even you know what it
was all about well basically it's

1593
02:08:52,14 --> 02:08:53,71
a way to address problems it's

1594
02:08:53,72 --> 02:08:58,02
a transportation mechanism this has
petitioned industry to the mess to

1595
02:08:58,03 --> 02:09:04,76
transportation industry back up our
primary. Focuses transitioning domestic

1596
02:09:05,01 --> 02:09:11,28
I five and Highway one hundred one freight
from highway to waterborne market more

1597
02:09:11,29 --> 02:09:17,81
waterborne mode so we're primarily concerned
with domestic Transportation trucks

1598
02:09:17,82 --> 02:09:22,79
and trains moving in the North-South
direction along the west coast between the

1599
02:09:22,80 --> 02:09:27,67
three states and eventually potentially
Canada and Mexico. So when you look at west

1600
02:09:27,68 --> 02:09:32,24
coast transportation issues. The first
thing comes to mind given that recent fuel

1601
02:09:32,25 --> 02:09:34,98
spike last summer with
fuel prices there's been

1602
02:09:34,99 --> 02:09:37,49
a lot of talk about
capacity constraints I.E.

1603
02:09:37,50 --> 02:09:42,80
Rail and highway. Air quality policies
implemented by car driving the cost of

1604
02:09:42,81 --> 02:09:47,91
trucking. Everybody is concerned with oil
consumption and dependence on foreign oil

1605
02:09:48,72 --> 02:09:53,57
freeway congestion and last time my
little trucks and Driver long haul driver

1606
02:09:53,58 --> 02:09:55,01
shortages is

1607
02:09:55,02 --> 02:09:59,33
a big issue and actually right now these
those types of issues are becoming even

1608
02:09:59,34 --> 02:10:00,09
more of

1609
02:10:00,10 --> 02:10:04,98
a concern for transportation providers and
shippers because smaller trucking companies

1610
02:10:04,99 --> 02:10:08,90
are falling by the wayside in this turn
downturn and folks are just leaving the

1611
02:10:08,91 --> 02:10:13,66
trucking industry looking for well looking
for any kind of work but the trucking

1612
02:10:13,92 --> 02:10:18,77
industry is taking it on the chin so what
shore sea shipping does is provide some

1613
02:10:18,78 --> 02:10:21,48
measure of relief to those problems

1614
02:10:22,16 --> 02:10:27,29
a cost reduction route diversification
alternative mode waterborne versus trucking

1615
02:10:27,30 --> 02:10:32,57
or rail fuel efficiency environmental
responsibility because business is economic

1616
02:10:32,58 --> 02:10:37,63
downturn is also timed with businesses still
wanting to when they can. You know do

1617
02:10:37,64 --> 02:10:39,63
things more environmentally
responsible and

1618
02:10:39,64 --> 02:10:45,56
a greater recognition toward sustainability.
And marketability you know first some

1619
02:10:45,57 --> 02:10:49,40
companies with environmental responsibility
comes with competitive advantage to

1620
02:10:49,49 --> 02:10:55,08
more people so. Or do we have the H.M.O.

1621
02:10:55,09 --> 02:10:58,80
Complete coastal program there's another
one the major market program I won't talk

1622
02:10:58,81 --> 02:11:03,18
about that at all it just touches the major
markets the complete coastal program

1623
02:11:03,19 --> 02:11:08,13
touches the major markets and. Of course
because we want to have her home port here

1624
02:11:08,53 --> 02:11:13,46
and Q.'s Bay should they want to take part
in it when we get there. So what we're

1625
02:11:13,47 --> 02:11:14,38
talking about is

1626
02:11:14,39 --> 02:11:19,85
a bust model where the barge goes up
and down the coast. And only transfers

1627
02:11:19,86 --> 02:11:25,57
a fraction of the cargo on it at
each port hole so there's been

1628
02:11:25,58 --> 02:11:30,54
a lot of talk about shorts the shipping and
its viability and the debt you know the

1629
02:11:30,55 --> 02:11:32,92
success and in the viability of

1630
02:11:32,93 --> 02:11:37,58
a really is in the details at this stage
in the game is really house is in the

1631
02:11:37,59 --> 02:11:39,23
detail and I'll talk

1632
02:11:39,24 --> 02:11:43,68
a little bit about that but what we're
talking about is if you count all these up

1633
02:11:44,03 --> 02:11:44,70
if you're hope

1634
02:11:44,71 --> 02:11:49,97
a ship and you want to ship to the Bay Area
or Southern California. Or up and down

1635
02:11:49,98 --> 02:11:56,97
the ten major west coast freight lanes
five strategically chosen ports. You

1636
02:11:56,98 --> 02:12:00,45
know temporary lines is quite a bit I
can compass as a if you're casting

1637
02:12:00,46 --> 02:12:03,88
a wide net with folks that move
freight up and down the West Coast.

1638
02:12:08,81 --> 02:12:13,40
Are the two programs as I mentioned
together he package them almost all of the

1639
02:12:13,41 --> 02:12:18,15
transition about ninety seven thousand
long haul truck moves off the highways say

1640
02:12:18,16 --> 02:12:22,25
three point eight million gallons of
diesel fuel this is you know recount and

1641
02:12:22,26 --> 02:12:26,43
that's the model that we created which
equates to about thirty seven thousand

1642
02:12:26,44 --> 02:12:27,97
metric tons of C O two emissions

1643
02:12:27,98 --> 02:12:34,31
a year and if you average it out. Saves
about forty million jobs for hols per year

1644
02:12:34,75 --> 02:12:37,08
so. You know that sounds like

1645
02:12:37,09 --> 02:12:42,62
a lot and it is but given you know
California and West Coast transportation on

1646
02:12:42,63 --> 02:12:45,65
a whole it's not it's just a
drop in the bucket However it's

1647
02:12:45,66 --> 02:12:47,76
a start and we're starting to see

1648
02:12:47,77 --> 02:12:51,83
a lot of interest and so is the Marine
Highway program because we're not the only

1649
02:12:51,84 --> 02:12:54,10
ones working on this as the
district has talked about.

1650
02:13:00,26 --> 02:13:06,97
OK Real quick snapshot about capacity this
is like exit ing volumes for months. And

1651
02:13:06,98 --> 02:13:12,45
then on this handout I should have put
this handout on their. Back to back with

1652
02:13:12,46 --> 02:13:17,04
Anyways we have the five ports the total
exiting volume so if you are you know the

1653
02:13:17,05 --> 02:13:18,07
number of times that

1654
02:13:18,63 --> 02:13:22,67
a freight could move out of one of these
ports and you add it all that is about

1655
02:13:22,68 --> 02:13:23,64
thirty three hundred

1656
02:13:24,04 --> 02:13:29,14
a month and then of course there's an inverse
of that where you can receive freight

1657
02:13:29,15 --> 02:13:29,48
into

1658
02:13:29,49 --> 02:13:36,43
a port as well so basically for home the
home base now shot is. About twelve

1659
02:13:36,44 --> 02:13:37,55
hundred moves

1660
02:13:37,59 --> 02:13:43,01
a month. And this constantly gets refined
and tweak as we develop our model and to

1661
02:13:43,02 --> 02:13:44,75
take it but essentially I have

1662
02:13:44,76 --> 02:13:51,72
a breakdown here of the number of capacity
with this one barge program implemented

1663
02:13:51,73 --> 02:13:57,75
in for example if you're you're interested
in humble pay to the Bay Area. You get

1664
02:13:57,76 --> 02:14:01,42
one hundred thirty two to two
hundred eight opportunities to ship

1665
02:14:01,64 --> 02:14:06,81
a month. If you're interested in Southern
California the way this barge is the

1666
02:14:07,60 --> 02:14:08,81
program is designed you get

1667
02:14:08,82 --> 02:14:13,82
a one hundred thirty two opportunities
to ship out here to the base so in

1668
02:14:13,83 --> 02:14:18,66
California so the reason why I want to say
that speed say those numbers. That's not

1669
02:14:18,67 --> 02:14:24,89
very much so we feel like our volumes each
and one of every one of these ports that

1670
02:14:24,90 --> 02:14:26,45
need to be filled in order to create

1671
02:14:26,49 --> 02:14:33,49
a viable business model is not that much
given what the amount of freight that

1672
02:14:33,50 --> 02:14:34,20
moves because that's

1673
02:14:34,21 --> 02:14:38,69
a big question it's been discussed and we
looked at it ourselves Also could we do

1674
02:14:38,70 --> 02:14:43,85
a barge between humble Bay in the Bay Area
No you can't there's not enough freight

1675
02:14:43,86 --> 02:14:48,46
moving in both directions to sustain a
barge and viability you cannot fill up

1676
02:14:48,98 --> 02:14:54,93
a barge with enough free here or there to
come back here in order to do that but

1677
02:14:54,94 --> 02:14:59,29
what you can do is you can implement a bus
model where you don't have to fill up

1678
02:14:59,30 --> 02:15:02,96
a whole barge you just have to fill up a
fraction of the barge each time you go to

1679
02:15:02,97 --> 02:15:06,88
a port and all these different port costs
and that's what I was talking about the

1680
02:15:06,89 --> 02:15:09,92
devil I mean the success
is really in the details.

1681
02:15:14,31 --> 02:15:20,87
I am. Liking it there we go OK this is the
single driving point I want to make home

1682
02:15:20,88 --> 02:15:25,92
for this area. In fact right behind everybody
there's the same picture on the wall

1683
02:15:26,71 --> 02:15:32,90
the ton miles per gallon fuel efficiency
of container. Of different modes of ship

1684
02:15:33,39 --> 02:15:35,91
what that means is you know
typically on average you can move

1685
02:15:35,92 --> 02:15:40,94
a ton of freight hundred fifty five miles
of one gallon of diesel fuel. Well you

1686
02:15:40,95 --> 02:15:41,71
can see you can move

1687
02:15:41,72 --> 02:15:46,43
a five hundred seventy six England were
in transportation that's like Mississippi

1688
02:15:46,44 --> 02:15:52,01
River clear of our program throughout that
three hundred and ninety ton miles per

1689
02:15:52,02 --> 02:15:57,54
gallon when folks are not jokingly talking
from here about having to ship to where

1690
02:15:57,55 --> 02:16:00,14
you're going to ship something
from there comes into

1691
02:16:00,37 --> 02:16:04,74
a major play when you look at transportation
costs as as fuel prices started to

1692
02:16:04,75 --> 02:16:06,77
rise so you know we got

1693
02:16:06,78 --> 02:16:11,16
a snapshot last summer of what that time
what that would do to this county on

1694
02:16:11,17 --> 02:16:15,23
a sustained. Length of
time luckily it was only

1695
02:16:15,24 --> 02:16:21,99
a spike However as do you. Prices rise you
know and you're the only way you have to

1696
02:16:22,00 --> 02:16:28,95
ship is by truck you're incurring cost to
be able to ship your goods at you only

1697
02:16:29,34 --> 02:16:34,08
had to double the rate as other modes
essentially are more than double actually and

1698
02:16:34,57 --> 02:16:40,32
this is hard to read I apologize for
that but you have fuel prices across the

1699
02:16:40,33 --> 02:16:46,26
bottom. From one to seven and you have
wine haul prices up the left hand side who

1700
02:16:46,27 --> 02:16:49,06
zero to three fifty three
dollars to fifty cents

1701
02:16:49,07 --> 02:16:55,53
a mile to move you move your goods you
can see that. Trucking escalates at

1702
02:16:55,54 --> 02:17:00,03
a high rate. Over the summer
we're around four dollars

1703
02:17:00,39 --> 02:17:04,60
a gallon and fuel is you know I mean the
cost to move was around two twenty five to

1704
02:17:04,61 --> 02:17:08,26
thirty was what truckers even around here
would look and try to make on their on

1705
02:17:08,27 --> 02:17:14,97
their moves. And then you have. The other
modes of rail and ship and barging in

1706
02:17:14,98 --> 02:17:19,05
barging isn't red so you can see
out fuel goes from a dollar to

1707
02:17:19,06 --> 02:17:21,38
a gallon from one dollar a
gallon to seven dollars

1708
02:17:21,39 --> 02:17:26,90
a gallon your cost to move per mile
long haul barging remember there's

1709
02:17:26,91 --> 02:17:32,97
a short haul truck each and you're still
have exposure to but it remains almost

1710
02:17:32,98 --> 02:17:38,59
flat literally almost flat and that's
because it uses so much less fuel to move

1711
02:17:38,60 --> 02:17:45,44
goods compared to the other modes and that
the flight. You know there's actually

1712
02:17:45,45 --> 02:17:49,61
one more. But but ours pencils
out of fifty six cents

1713
02:17:49,62 --> 02:17:55,44
a mile this is the last one. If you can
ship for less than you can ship further and

1714
02:17:55,45 --> 02:17:59,81
if you can ship further you have more growth
potential better competitive edge and

1715
02:17:59,82 --> 02:18:06,08
grow your business in the edge of
that's that's our position. If I had

1716
02:18:06,09 --> 02:18:10,52
a couple more that's a. Mess
I could describe discuss

1717
02:18:10,53 --> 02:18:15,88
a few of the other points over
to your answer and. Every.

1718
02:18:19,04 --> 02:18:25,67
I don't think anybody in the room doubts
the price of fuel skin to go up and so but

1719
02:18:25,68 --> 02:18:32,40
right now it sounds like you are not in
that advantageous for cost competitive

1720
02:18:32,41 --> 02:18:37,03
position to drive this in the immediate
future so this seems like something that

1721
02:18:37,17 --> 02:18:40,85
the government should be funding I know
we've made some moves in terms of the

1722
02:18:40,86 --> 02:18:47,51
Marine Highway proposition and construct
is that essential for your vision here to

1723
02:18:47,52 --> 02:18:53,25
come to fruition to have some public private
partnership I would say yes if we want

1724
02:18:53,26 --> 02:18:57,69
to do it in the near term I mean what I
mean by that is our models are based the by

1725
02:18:57,84 --> 02:19:00,98
the by ability of the
models themselves stand

1726
02:19:00,99 --> 02:19:03,25
a two dollars fifty to
two dollars fifty cents

1727
02:19:03,26 --> 02:19:09,98
a gallon the business from its competitiveness
goes more in the three range so

1728
02:19:10,76 --> 02:19:13,42
high three is do we run
our model of four dollars

1729
02:19:13,43 --> 02:19:19,24
a gallon so you know I think everybody
or at least I dissipate high fuel prices

1730
02:19:19,25 --> 02:19:25,43
coming back and on top of that I envision
or expect another substantial feels like

1731
02:19:25,92 --> 02:19:29,32
coming out of the lack of
oil investment Kerman as

1732
02:19:29,33 --> 02:19:34,68
a result of the low oil prices that are
a result of this economic downturn in

1733
02:19:34,69 --> 02:19:38,31
a dance year question though there is
offer to these like the Marine Highway

1734
02:19:38,32 --> 02:19:42,50
Program and more ads efforts and ten show
other consensus with public agencies to

1735
02:19:42,51 --> 02:19:47,70
help get this type of mechanism off the
ground due to its socio economic and

1736
02:19:47,71 --> 02:19:52,64
environmental benefits and we support that
as well because what it really needs is

1737
02:19:52,96 --> 02:19:59,65
a spark in this type of economic climate.
We feel our timeline is about two years

1738
02:19:59,69 --> 02:20:04,41
to the way the reason we say that is
because. As most in the league you know I

1739
02:20:04,42 --> 02:20:08,37
mentioned even earlier today there are
Koreans for sale and it doesn't take that

1740
02:20:08,38 --> 02:20:12,72
long to build one. We don't need any permits
because there's properties per minute

1741
02:20:12,73 --> 02:20:16,50
for what we want to do there's no concerns
there that we've that we've been told.

1742
02:20:17,58 --> 02:20:21,92
And we have the infrastructure in the dock
strong so really what it comes down to

1743
02:20:21,93 --> 02:20:26,57
for us is capitalization and part of that
is construction of barges that would

1744
02:20:26,58 --> 02:20:31,23
allow for our model the work as efficiently
as it needs to in to that's part of the

1745
02:20:31,24 --> 02:20:35,32
viability you can't run a couple
of free programs like this with

1746
02:20:35,33 --> 02:20:41,05
a six not barge he needed to own up. But
those exist they're not there they're

1747
02:20:41,50 --> 02:20:44,95
there in the water operating today there's
just not that many of them and and so

1748
02:20:44,96 --> 02:20:51,84
our program would need. A construction of
one at least one or two we don't want to

1749
02:20:51,85 --> 02:20:58,18
do implement both programs and so part of
that we feel like in the. Public health

1750
02:20:58,26 --> 02:21:02,48
through the Marine Highway Program and
more as a first and a couple of even

1751
02:21:02,49 --> 02:21:06,21
a couple of stimulus off the stimulus
opportunities that are on the table right now

1752
02:21:07,06 --> 02:21:13,03
that we're in the middle of everything
that. You talked about five acres said how

1753
02:21:13,84 --> 02:21:20,20
Schneider dog. What's the maximum that you
might think that this book you know this

1754
02:21:20,21 --> 02:21:26,16
trade vehicle or mechanism other words
you know I'm coming around the corner.

1755
02:21:27,44 --> 02:21:31,13
Do we need the redwood dock for this or
does this fit with existing infrastructure

1756
02:21:31,79 --> 02:21:36,99
to implement what I have there we can do
with existing infrastructure no doubt and

1757
02:21:37,54 --> 02:21:40,96
you know we like to grow this
business and we feel like we're in

1758
02:21:40,97 --> 02:21:46,35
a position where. The volumes exceeds the
capacity that we're going to offer with

1759
02:21:46,36 --> 02:21:51,93
one barge in this community but we are
you are tied to the rest of the Gulf to

1760
02:21:51,94 --> 02:21:56,03
program so in order for us to add another
barge to service humble Bay We need to

1761
02:21:56,04 --> 02:22:01,52
show that you have that necessity on the
coastal scale so it's really hard to

1762
02:22:01,53 --> 02:22:07,11
answer but I would like to vision the
opportunity. This this program basically

1763
02:22:07,12 --> 02:22:10,45
revolves around one barge
call a week or four times

1764
02:22:10,46 --> 02:22:13,31
a month and I would love to
add a second and if we had

1765
02:22:13,32 --> 02:22:19,62
a second that may grow what's available and
there's five pretty. Remains to be seen

1766
02:22:19,63 --> 02:22:24,30
on on how. Do you know all
of the docs around here is

1767
02:22:24,31 --> 02:22:26,53
a little bit challenging
because they're all with

1768
02:22:26,54 --> 02:22:28,53
a cost list all designed where there's

1769
02:22:28,54 --> 02:22:33,74
a key so that decreases the efficiency that
I've talked to offer if it was sort of

1770
02:22:33,75 --> 02:22:38,34
a book as to how design I could to you know
I could table that to sort of stuck out

1771
02:22:38,35 --> 02:22:42,53
into the channel because then you could
load more efficiently all along the side of

1772
02:22:42,54 --> 02:22:46,46
the vessel as compared to having
to pass or wait going up and down.

1773
02:22:50,00 --> 02:22:54,78
And I don't know is that. Young
I mean it's a long answer to

1774
02:22:54,79 --> 02:23:01,77
a short question. Of how other
questions from the committee and the.

1775
02:23:04,66 --> 02:23:05,39
New place.

1776
02:23:15,63 --> 02:23:21,43
Couple of articles that I've read over the
past few months make me wonder whether

1777
02:23:21,88 --> 02:23:28,15
about the future of container shipping
on the West Coast one is. They said that

1778
02:23:28,16 --> 02:23:28,66
there's going to be

1779
02:23:28,67 --> 02:23:34,64
a new passageway through the Panama
Canal and that the East Coast ports are

1780
02:23:35,10 --> 02:23:40,68
expanding like gangbusters and in fact
while the West Coast fourth of all taking

1781
02:23:40,69 --> 02:23:45,94
a dive they said the port of Savannah has
gone up five percent in volume and they

1782
02:23:45,95 --> 02:23:48,75
said that it will be cheaper to ship

1783
02:23:48,76 --> 02:23:54,32
a container from China that's bound for the
east coast through the Panama Canal and

1784
02:23:54,33 --> 02:23:58,97
broken at the East Coast port then the ship
at the Long Beach and do the same thing

1785
02:23:59,11 --> 02:24:05,35
that's number one number two is whether the
the model for globalization is in fact

1786
02:24:05,36 --> 02:24:12,16
changing with the rise in the price
of fuel. Used to be. Economical

1787
02:24:12,50 --> 02:24:17,43
to ship Brazilian steel to China to make
refrigerators shipped to Long Beach to

1788
02:24:17,44 --> 02:24:22,25
truck to Chicago and now perhaps they're
building it in Long Beach and sending it

1789
02:24:22,26 --> 02:24:28,10
to Chicago so. These couple of articles
you know make me wonder the viability of

1790
02:24:28,31 --> 02:24:29,90
whether there really is going to be

1791
02:24:30,37 --> 02:24:36,60
a substantial increase on the West Coast I
don't know how to address this. But the

1792
02:24:36,61 --> 02:24:43,55
answer to. The globalization of
industry is not going to change the

1793
02:24:43,68 --> 02:24:49,72
position of Savannah which will answer next
is the savannah move Wal-Mart there is

1794
02:24:49,73 --> 02:24:56,43
it's one of its major hub D.C.'s and
that created this huge surge in

1795
02:24:56,44 --> 02:25:02,61
terms of all water service verses land
bridge service and land bridges be bringing

1796
02:25:02,62 --> 02:25:07,40
into West Coast for our railroad tickets
somewhere it's always going to be cheaper

1797
02:25:08,21 --> 02:25:14,93
on the operator. And I doubt that the
railroads will give that up either to bring

1798
02:25:14,94 --> 02:25:19,30
it into the West Coast because the cost
of operating ships and the cost of

1799
02:25:19,31 --> 02:25:23,38
developing the ports
in those areas to take

1800
02:25:23,39 --> 02:25:30,11
a ship from. Hong Kong. To New York. At

1801
02:25:30,18 --> 02:25:32,16
least six.

1802
02:25:37,33 --> 02:25:42,42
Billion. I doubt.

1803
02:25:48,59 --> 02:25:54,62
It will be and it's generally less
time sensitive cargo but most.

1804
02:25:56,14 --> 02:26:02,25
Move. To move it and drop it.

1805
02:26:06,48 --> 02:26:12,77
And the other question was. Will have I
think was on the weather the weather about

1806
02:26:12,83 --> 02:26:17,13
international and global manufacturing I
think that trend will stay you're going to

1807
02:26:17,14 --> 02:26:23,00
have compressors made in Brazil they may
be made now Africa they may be made in

1808
02:26:23,71 --> 02:26:26,64
some other area in the future
but you're always going to have

1809
02:26:26,65 --> 02:26:32,06
a symbol in the United States Mexico and
along our borders. No matter what the

1810
02:26:32,07 --> 02:26:36,71
components will come in I mean we have
world cars today the example is the escape

1811
02:26:36,72 --> 02:26:38,03
Ford is really

1812
02:26:38,04 --> 02:26:43,57
a Brazilian World car so that kind of thing
will continue you know for Brazil makes

1813
02:26:43,58 --> 02:26:46,72
the engines so that's the with and they
move them all over so that will always

1814
02:26:46,73 --> 02:26:51,01
continue. When.

1815
02:26:53,91 --> 02:26:54,71
Is that you know

1816
02:26:54,72 --> 02:27:00,38
a pair of sneakers they cost one hundred
fifty dollars but the shipping cost

1817
02:27:00,55 --> 02:27:05,21
literally from Asia is less than a
dollar so it really takes quite

1818
02:27:05,22 --> 02:27:08,16
a bit of fuel rise to make

1819
02:27:08,17 --> 02:27:14,56
a difference or any kind of dent in that
model and you'll see that you know what

1820
02:27:14,94 --> 02:27:19,57
Stephen talking about to me is just it's
not as big of an impact when you're

1821
02:27:19,58 --> 02:27:25,08
talking the mass movements of mass transit
as we never acquires math Negri with

1822
02:27:25,09 --> 02:27:30,58
Randy hands down there that
you know in order to. Address

1823
02:27:30,59 --> 02:27:35,03
a mass transit mass goods transit model
for humble Bay That means you're going to

1824
02:27:35,04 --> 02:27:39,99
move mass and that kind of gets to the
I think one of the routes is that the

1825
02:27:40,00 --> 02:27:45,11
political question at this community has
which is what level of mass and growth are

1826
02:27:45,12 --> 02:27:49,82
we willing to accept and then there's
different viewpoints on that all over the

1827
02:27:49,83 --> 02:27:55,51
board and where is that what is that where
is the consensus on that and then you

1828
02:27:55,55 --> 02:27:59,86
might be able to move forward but in
you know that's there's really the big

1829
02:27:59,87 --> 02:28:04,98
question of what is growth what is mass in
order to have mass transit you need mass

1830
02:28:05,57 --> 02:28:10,88
we don't have that. Question.

1831
02:28:14,50 --> 02:28:15,32
Thank you very much.

1832
02:28:26,29 --> 02:28:31,69
Well I had hoped to. Kind of get

1833
02:28:31,70 --> 02:28:37,41
a bottom line here but I think that's.
We were exposed here to some.

1834
02:28:38,98 --> 02:28:44,40
Very very useful information I think in
terms of understanding trade around the

1835
02:28:44,41 --> 02:28:51,17
shores of shipping and harbor
infrastructure. And I guess

1836
02:28:51,55 --> 02:28:57,74
if there is no other. Questions or
contributions from the committee.

1837
02:28:58,81 --> 02:29:04,94
If there is people into interested in helping
with the next. Forum which we'll have

1838
02:29:04,98 --> 02:29:07,19
which is light industry
if you could hang around

1839
02:29:07,20 --> 02:29:13,31
a little bit. That would be great and Rose
actually since you work with peachy and

1840
02:29:13,32 --> 02:29:19,35
I've talked to. Call the endo and there
is prospects for growth in light industry

1841
02:29:19,43 --> 02:29:26,37
for Wave Energy. If I could just talk to
you so you could get back on this because

1842
02:29:26,38 --> 02:29:31,11
he has said that he would he would actually
help us with. Projections from what

1843
02:29:31,12 --> 02:29:36,40
they're build on the flight into Earth
both in the pilot phase and in the long so

1844
02:29:36,41 --> 02:29:42,58
if there are folks who want to help with
the light industry sector please. Join me

1845
02:29:42,59 --> 02:29:49,50
here in the front there's no whether it's
one one thing my hope is that you know

1846
02:29:49,51 --> 02:29:53,26
the parties that are involved here tonight
really I really encourage them to come

1847
02:29:53,27 --> 02:29:57,37
back to the other forums because we're
really looking for synergies between all of

1848
02:29:57,38 --> 02:30:02,79
these clusters and then Johnson was here.
And I failed to acknowledge in my own

1849
02:30:02,80 --> 02:30:06,37
becomes fact. I'm.